Understand the Israeli – Palestinian Apartheid In 11 Images Ahmed Naguib April 15, 2014 Tweet Check out A South African’s Opinion of Comparing Israel to the South African Apartheid All the graphics are from the site Visualizing Palestine, a site dedicated to creating informative and impactful graphics about the occupied region. Check out many more of these images on their site 1. The Forced Exile of The Palestinian People 2. Maintenance of the Occupation 3. Continued Displacement and Destruction 4. A Pattern of Violence and Aggression 5. Illegal Detention 6, 7 & 8. Segregation of Resources 9 & 10. Segregation of Travel 11. The Wall Like this article? 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Omar Moawad:May 2, 2014 at 8:57 pmAhron אהרון Eisman : just get out of palestinean lands and then talk about lies and truth Eva Cinquini:May 3, 2014 at 4:59 amOmar Moawad there is no such thing as Palestine and they are not your lands. Mara Cohen:May 3, 2014 at 5:12 amOmar Moawad Quit trying to steal Israeli Lands, and then we may even consider you worth working with.. Omar Moawad:May 3, 2014 at 3:54 pmoh! yea yea .. how old is israel and how old is palestine!! .. israel is just 66 .. so how is it ur lands ?? you got it by killing the palestinean families and destroying their homes .. using fighter jets, tanks and forbidden weapons like phosphorous bombs .. keep saying that its ur land, but it will not be yours sooner or later. Mara Cohen:May 4, 2014 at 1:49 pmOmar Moawad There is no Nation State called Palestine. Never has been. However, there was a Roman Province they named "Palestina" when they conquered Judea and Samaria. And yes, despite displacements by conquerors, there has always been a Jewish presence in that Land. Muslim Arabs invaded the Levant in the 7th Century common era. in other words, they were invading conquerors, who were then conquered themselves, by myriad non-Arab Peoples. Omar Moawad:May 4, 2014 at 10:37 pm"no Nation State called Palestine"!!!! how!! you should say that there is no nation called Egyptians too!! sucha great lies or maybe something in ur religion i dont know it btw israel is a Zionist country not jewish! .. go revise first, u should revise that Jerusalem was made by Arab Canaanites at about 4000 BC and not by jewish .. Mara Cohen:May 4, 2014 at 11:01 pmOmar Moawad Egypt has been a Nation State since 1922, with one time frame of Pan-Arabism where it combined with Syria and Iraq to be known as the United Arab Republic, . Prior to that time, it was subject to the British and French post the Ottoman Era Khedivate losing independence to them. Nominally the Khedive was subordinate to the Ottomans. ( See Muhammed Ali). However, Egyptians have a very long history, and were not overrun by Arabs until the 7th Century C.E. And no, there has never been a Nation State of Palestine. Arab Palestinians, for the most part came in to the Ottoman Province of "Greater Syria", to the southern part which was called "Palestina" due to the myriad conquerors on that section of the Levant's use of the Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Empire's records. But no, there never has been a Nation-State known as Palestine. I am surprised you didn't know that? Omar Moawad:May 4, 2014 at 11:13 pmoh actually thats my first time to know about our history. Well, nothing to reply madam .. conversation is over with someone saying that " Egypt has been a Nation State since 1922 " u dont even know anything about Egypt or its history .. you know .. Wikipedia is the best thing for you, but try to read it in arabic cause english and hebrew got some mistakes. :) .. no more replies. Eva Cinquini:May 5, 2014 at 12:38 pmOmar Moawad that will never happen so deal with it. There are more than 600 million of you in more than fifty countries and you have tried your best on all fronts. You barbaric, hateful primitive useless people who instead of helping each other by building democratic societies you kill your own people and anyone who does not agree with you. Raj Nandi:May 5, 2014 at 6:26 pmEve Amber Goodmon Lovely Eve, you are such a creature of prose that I cannot compete with your wonderful use of language. So instead I will use your own words and throw them back at you are some humanist, to write brilliant prose like that, you barbaric, hateful, useless and primitive piece of pond life! By the way you are loatsome as well! Have a nice day! Mara Cohen:May 7, 2014 at 2:16 pmOmar Moawad Simply because you are an epic fail in knowing the history of the Region, doesn't mean you shouldn't at least attempt to learn about Levantine history...especially as you say it is your own. Just 23 years prior to the Muslim conquest of Syria and Jerusalem, in 613, the Jewish revolt against the Byzantine Heraclius culminated with the conquest of Jerusalem in 614 by Persian and Jewish forces and establishment of Jewish autonomy. Under Shahrbaraz during the last of the Byzantine–Sassanian wars, the Persian Empire took Jerusalem. The Persians looted the city, and they are said to have massacred its 90,000 Christian inhabitants. The revolt ended with the departure of the Persians and an eventual massacre of the Jews in 629 by the Eastern Roman Byzantine Greeks, ending 15 years of Jewish autonomy. Abu Bekr's Arab Muslim Armies took Ceasarea Maritime in 638 C.E,, which was the Capital of the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Province of Syria Palestina. And then the Arabs ruled. You didn't know this? Sam Lock:June 3, 2014 at 11:12 pmEve Amber Goodmon, maybe you will be the first in years to answer how the DAMNed jews excuses the living in Palestine when your own religion says you are stil under your exile conditions. How does the DAMNed jew excuse being in Palestine long before your God planned for it? Not one of the jews own prophetic stories your god requires to be fulfilled before you "reclaim" an israel, has ever happened, so how do you excuse taking a huge CRAP on your own god? Sam Lock:June 3, 2014 at 11:13 pmMara Cohen, you too, can you answer my question to Eve? No DAMNed jew should be in Palestine. Go listen to a Good Jew, Rabbi Y. Weiss. He'll tell you just how wrong you scumbags are. Dinarun:July 6, 2014 at 11:51 amEve Amber Goodmon Remember God fulfill the holy alliance, stop lying or blast ! Cause remember... what will happen to your people if you betray God ? Listen to your rabbis, not the zionnist ones, but the others Dinarun:July 6, 2014 at 11:54 amMara Cohen oh yes, so... because amerindians were the first in the USA, they should reclaim their lands and expropriate every américan they meet ! very well ! when will americans go back to Europe ? leaving the county to their real owners ? isn't that true ? Dinarun:July 6, 2014 at 11:56 amMara Cohen Remember God, fulfill the holy alliance and stop spreading lies and wreaking havoc for God does not like evil doers ! Joe Kelsall:January 2, 2016 at 2:20 pmAhron אהרון Eisman No Ahron. That is Israeli Hasbara. You are confused. Moira Richards:February 19, 2016 at 10:00 pmAhron אהרון Eisman get out of Palestine. Moira Richards:February 19, 2016 at 10:01 pmEva Cinquini funny that is. I've seen the real maps since before 1948. Yisrael Medad:April 25, 2014 at 6:19 amof course, if you start out believing there really was a national entity called "Arab Palestinians" (and not Southern Syrians as they themselves termed themselves into the 1920), or that Jews never gad sovereignty in the country for many many hundreds of years until the Roam conquest, or that Arabs only arrived in the Land of Israel as occupiers in 638CE, or that international law determined that the Jews possessed an historic connection to the country and therefore, their right for a homeland overrode any other group, or that Arabs never did have a state and that they violently attacked Jews from 1920 on and practiced ethnic cleansing in Gaza, Hebron and Jerusalem or that they never agreed to any diplomatic resolution and rejected compromises, you could be persuaded by all this Ahmed Abu El Rub:April 25, 2014 at 8:31 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBYkBqY1-LM Maybe this will change some of your unbelievable ideas Yisrael, and if you need more proof that Palestine always existed as an arab entity just let me know .Rejecting comprimising and violently attacking Jews are you out of your mind !! Zionists come to a country killed its occupants killing thousands of children and women and civilians , displaces and destroys their homes and turns them into homeless people. Then you say they are attacking jews please man dont manipulate history and make use of some people's ignorance of history. Israel was never a country till sykes picot agreement between the british and the zionist , where zionists showed interest in having a jewish state in the land of Palestine. Go read the true history instead of making one of your own. Go read about the Sykes picot agreement and come to me if there's anything you dont understand there. Palestine will always be Arab and will always be Palestine 'no other name for it' according to us the Arab Nation!! Yitzchak Lourie:April 25, 2014 at 8:56 amWhat a shame that instead of investing time effort and money in order to help these poor misunderstood arabs - all of the money goes into bombs, rockets and terrorist activities. The Arab countries could have built numerous hospitals in Gaza Jenin and Ramallah.The Gush Katif area was a thriving agricultural area - and what did the Arabs do to it ? Yitzchak Lourie:April 25, 2014 at 8:57 amBlame not yourself - find someone else to blame - because you are just poor misunderstood dirt farmers - right ! Israel is always to blame Yaroslava Lyashenko:April 25, 2014 at 11:23 am'if you start out believing there really was a national entity called "Arab Palestinians" excuse me? this is fascism! you can not define other people's nationality. They are who THEY SAY they are. Ahmed Abu El Rub:April 25, 2014 at 2:15 pmHAHAHHAHAH dude yisrael you should have been a comedian, your racism, lack of knowledge and incompitence to give people who are reading this an answer for something you said and was proved to be wrong is enough for me to rest my case !! that's why you come and change the subject and start accusing us with false stereo types things like you Arabs are terrorists and bombers or whatever, while on the other hand your goverment and their policies were used to kill millions of children women and old men and demolish houses of helpless families that are only guilty of being Palestinians, this is humanism for you right? no terrorist acts there !! God help palestine as it will rise again that i am sure of . I'm not blaming Israelfor whathappened because to me Israel doesnt even EXIST, i blame us arabs for not being united but be assured man that when we do , the only thing we're gonna need by then is a toothpick to remove the detritus thats stuck between our teeth. Poor misunderstood dirty farmers?!!!! Dude please you're such a stupid son of a bitch i can't even have a civilized talk with someone with your mentality .... so just shut up and walk away!! Hani Abdo:April 25, 2014 at 2:16 pmYitzchak Lourie, sir. Let us worry about the whereabouts of our money/expenditures and you worry about ending the occupation your state created. No occupation = No need for money spent on everything you have mentioned. And regarding our identity, let us also decide for ourselves what we call or have called ourselves, not what you decide to call us in a way that would help you demonize us all. Is this a convincing argument, or would you like to take it to a non-intellectual direction and start spewing and spitting at each others' faces like you did before? Amr Eisenhower:April 25, 2014 at 2:22 pmMr yisreal" you are just racist , who was influnced by Nazists and facists and you would like to have your own kind of Nazism , your sick generation( Arabs and isrealis) doesnt see any solution BUT killing the other , you was tought like this in your childhood !!! Keep on destroying the world !!!! Breezy Breeze Astro:April 25, 2014 at 3:04 pmYitzchak Lourie you cant even get water into Gazza with all the blockades bro, how they going to build hospitals with the seige, the arab leaders and governments are infiltrated with Zionists that are actually working for Israel, Shame we can;t live in peace like we did for hundreds of years until the Zionists came with their guns Breezy Breeze Astro:April 25, 2014 at 3:09 pmTypical off the shelf zionist answer, which is fabricated history, the world is no longer fooled by these lies, time to quit evil and get on the right side, the humane side Ido Cohen:April 25, 2014 at 5:41 pmok. how? It's must be easy to sit in front of your computer and think that you know best, but the fact of the matter is that I can sit with you for days and try to convey the complexity of the whole situation and show you that what you suggest would mean a blood bath. I only have about 28 years of knowing the situation from up close. this isn't apartheid. the Palestinians don't want to have equal rights in Israel. they want their own country, fare enough. but they want that country to REPLACE Israel. there are over a million Arab Israelis, these are basically Palestinians that chose to live in Israel. they have every single right that I have. I call some of them friends and I want the best for them. what you want is for there to be no control and for a population that it's agenda is war and victory, not peace, to be allowed all over. we tried something close about ten years ago in Israel. we gave land to the Palestinians with no agreement and evacuated gush katif just so the poor souls in Gaza could have a bit more room. this is now a no mans land as it only became a launch ground for missiles by the Palestinians. you are supporting hatred and fanaticism with the excuse of enlightened ideals but if this was anywhere near you I'm sure that you would have done things a thousand time worse, that is a promise. check some facts, do some research, find out the whole story and then have an opinion because what you say we should do would mean war. in a day. for sure. realize that there are people, Palestinians, with guns who control those areas and have jihad in mind. they want to fight and die for alla. we let them then we have to fight back and we don't want that. we don't want to have to kill. do you know that while all the Palestinian media is talking about is victory while there are combats Israeli television has song of "there will be peace some day " every five minutes. but you don't care. you know better. bottom line, you want Israelis to leave? where the F&CK to? if you actually care about having more knowledge and learning BOTH sides of a story feel free to contact me. If not just know you are supporting the side that wants the destruction of the other, not peace or freedom. good luck. Hani Abdo:April 25, 2014 at 7:22 pmIdo Cohen You said and I quote: "but they want that country to REPLACE Israel".. REPLACE? I think you mean PUT BACK, or at least BRING IT BACK on the map, since Israel WIPED out Palestine off of it. Please tell me what makes it legitimate to replace Palestine and and transform it into Israel and not vice versa? I'm not saying it should be done the way it was done by Israel. Anyways, a one state solution might be more rational, and I can safely assume that every Palestinian who says that Israelis should leave is saying it out of emotions, nothing more! Muslims, Christians AND Jews can, and will, one day live together under one multi-ethnic and multi-religious state if we want to. But we ALL need to do something about this. Muhammed Khan:April 25, 2014 at 7:40 pmLet's undersatnd what you're saying...you're saying let's all go back to where our ancestors were in 638 AD? Do you realize that is chaos and implies that people didn't mix, assimilate etc (like they always do). The Israeli PM family birthplace is like a tour of Eastern Europe. Stop claiming Jewishness as a way to avoid white centric racism. Lastly your justification of identity is based on promises made by a Bibilical God who condones violence, pedophilia, mysoginy...do you want to continue down this path? I thought so. Ido Cohen:April 26, 2014 at 12:44 amHani Abdo , I hope to god you are right, there is nothing that I want more then true peace and for all the people in this oand to be able to go where ever they want freely, I hope it will come soon. I'll just say that right now there are militant forces controlling the Gaza strip with intentions of wiping out Israel. there are 8 million Israelis and it will be hard to move them, although the vast majority of us don't live in the west bank or Gaza strip and these territories will be given gladly by most Israelis for peace, but one that assures our safety. I would also like to say two more things. first- the Jews are a people too, and our home land is Israel, we were exiled over 2000 years ago but we never forgot it and the notion of a Jewish state came out of necessity since there have been too many times where Jews were blamed and sanctioned. you must remember that the country was founded after the holocaust and that the land has been imperial land (British). the second thing I'll remind you is that in 1948 the UN decided on two states on this land, the Jewish state of Israel and Palestine, the Jews declared their country, but the Palestinians chose to sit back and let all the surrounding armies take it all for them, but it didn't work. I'm not saying what needs to be and how, and I want for there to be a true solution so that we will all be free on this land completely but we all must remember and see how the situation got to what it is and also realize that the Jewish people had a very hard history which makes us feel that we need for the first time in two millennial be the masters of our own fate. have a good weekend, god bless, let there be peace. Kenneth Hammond:April 26, 2014 at 2:40 am"Southern Syria" really? What govt was required to implement a citizenship law, referred to in Article 7 of the Mandate for Palestine, allowing European Jews to take up citizenship of "Southern Syria" or Palestine? Were these Jews recognised as citizens of "Southern Syria" or Palestine? Friends of Lebanon:April 26, 2014 at 7:40 amAhmed Abu El Rub great choice in video rebuttal :) Another powerful presentation by Dana Dajani is here http://youtu.be/KSp64xyt22Q --well worth watching. Sorin Olaru:April 26, 2014 at 7:42 amCarol Hage The Arabs need to stop first, you see, not Israelis. Saif Deis:April 26, 2014 at 8:58 amI sure need to advice you to read more history, son of a mother fucking zionist bitch as you are . Clifford Pinto:April 26, 2014 at 12:54 pmYaroslava Lyashenko So the Israelis call themselves Israelis. Do you recognise thier nationality, their right to exist as a state and their right to call themselves as they choose? Clifford Pinto:April 26, 2014 at 12:56 pmAmr Eisenhower You mean like Mufti Al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem? The dude who was an ally of Hitler, and who started a Bosnian Muslim SS division that slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Jews? That guy? Clifford Pinto:April 26, 2014 at 12:58 pmSaif Deis You sure seem to love Zionist universities a lot, for someone who spews as much venom as you do on Zionists. Are you planning on getting your Hebrew University degree revoked? Kenneth Hammond:April 26, 2014 at 1:14 pmNo such nationality as Israeli. Smári Freyr:April 26, 2014 at 1:15 pmYitzchak Lourie fokk jú. Clifford Pinto:April 26, 2014 at 1:23 pmKenneth Hammond I guess the same is true for Palestinians, no? ;-) Ido Cohen:April 26, 2014 at 2:16 pmSaif Deis real mature. and you wonder why Israelis are scared for their safty..... Claude Haridge:April 26, 2014 at 2:18 pmLet's see, you're European, and you think you have some claim to land in the Mediterranean where other people already live? And you also think you have the right to kill them, imprison them, expel them, make them second class citizens, and take their land and resources? One day people like you will be in jail for all the misery you have inflicted. BTW, Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism- it's simply a colonial mentality. Natasha Goudar:April 25, 2014 at 1:51 pm“In a nutshell […] Zionism is an attempt to take a religion, a culture […] and condense it into an ethnic identity in a colonialist context” Ilan Pappé, Israeli Historian Clifford Pinto:April 26, 2014 at 1:22 pmWhy are you quoting a Community party ideologue? Don't you have a better person to look up to than a career spin-meister? Here's the eminent left-wing historian Benny Morris, exposing Pappe for the fraud and liar that he is. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/books/magazine/85344/ilan-pappe-sloppy-dishonest-historian Samuele Tofano:April 26, 2014 at 4:29 pmCliff Pinto Benny Morris might consider himself as left-wing, but he expressed some opinions which don't look so progressive... it's sufficient to read his profile on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Morris Clifford Pinto:April 26, 2014 at 7:12 pmSamuele Tofano How many edits have you made on his Wikipedia entry?? ;-) My point still stands, that Benny Morris's work has and always will be a very left-wing perspective. For chrissakes, most of you Israel-haters got most of the fodder for your propaganda FROM Benny Morris's work. Benny Morris is basically YOUR guru. ;-) Samuele Tofano:April 26, 2014 at 9:32 pmCliff Pinto Ha ha... no I swear I haven't added any citation... :) My point is that I can't argue about Pappe's qualities as an historian - he might not be as scientific as he claims to be and he has a strong ideological stance. What I am saying is that Morris is not denying the fact that over 700k Palestinians have been displaced, with many violent examples which he indeed told in this first book. But little by little he started to support the idea that this ethnic cleansing, as he himself names it, has been appropriate and just. Actually he is even saying that Ben Gurion should have been even more harsh. And this is another strong ideological point of view, which I cannot define anymore as being left-wing... not even for modern Israeli-labour standards. And by the way, I'm a half-Israeli "Israel-hater", as you call me... and I don't necessarily agree with everything Pappe has to say. I'm simply aware that there is an ongoing oppression in the occupation, and it uses a sophisticated form of violence, which make things even more complicated than they already are. Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 5:03 pmSamuele Tofano Great. I don't know what your solution to the conflict is, but I wholeheartedly support a two-state solution, based on 1967 borders with mutually agreed land-swaps. I'm not a supporter of right-wing politics, whether in Israel or anywhere else. Moving onto Morris. What was wrong with what he said? Can you tell me what would have happened in 1948 if the Arabs won the war? Answer: There wouldn't have been a single Jew alive there. What about if the Arabs won the 1973 war? Again, there wouldn't have been a SINGLE Jew alive today in that region. What happened in 1948, right after Jordan annexed the Eastern part of Jerusalem? They either slaughtered or expelled all the Jews from there. What happened to the Jews of Yemen, Iraq, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt etc.? They were also either completely ethnically cleansed or murdered. The ARABS, as you can understand from the above point, frequently used ethnic cleansing to get rid of their Jewish population and avoided any future conflict or confrontation with such a large segment of their population in that manner. Benny Morris states the same thing. Why are the Arabs allowed to ethnically cleanse Jews as and when they please, and thereby avoid any conflict with them in the future, but the Jews are not allowed to do the same? Firstly, he did clarify that ethnic cleansing the Palestinians, whether in 1948 or 1967, was morally abhorrent, HOWEVER, doing so after 1967 would have ensured that there would be no conflict, just like how the Arabs ethnically cleansed their Jews and had no "Jewish problem" in the future. I don't agree that Palestinians should be ethnically cleansed, but he's RIGHT when he says that there would be no conflict today if the Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza were thrown out. And if the Arabs are allowed to do it, why not the Jews? Morris making such a logical statement of common sense doesn't make him "right-wing" by any means. He's a darling of the Israel-haters and his work is the very basis of most far-left Israel-haters. Adam El-Nagar:April 27, 2014 at 8:52 pmCliff Pinto LISTEN. it's not a palestinian wall, its an Israeli wall. it's not Palestinian soldiers, its Israeli soldiers killing innocent people. It's not palestinians forcing Israeli's into certain areas, forcing them to only use certain roads, taking their freedoms and liberties, its the Israeli's. Even IF every single palestinian was a terrorist (which, only a racist with an exceptionally low IQ would make such a sweeping statement), even IF that was true, how does that justify your morality? In the war crimes that Israel commit? In ethnic cleansing? In land theft? In cultural genocide? In the murder of hundreds of thousands of men, women and children? You kick palestinians out of the land they're born in, and you pay for European jews to go live in Palestine, when they are not from there. And you do it at the expense of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. And you think that because you call the Palestinians "terrorists", that that makes all the list of crimes Israel commits ok? you really are sick. Take note, if there is anti-semitism in the world, it's not because people hate Jews, it's because they hate people like you. Paula Potaznik:April 28, 2014 at 12:31 amSamuele Tofano who is proud to be left wing. Communists were/are left wing and have murdered more people than any other ideology. (though Jihadists want to) Mara Cohen:May 3, 2014 at 9:33 pmIlan likes to shock the neighbors, enjoys feeling guilty about the privilege he has experienced, and most certainly can be noted for his lack of commonsense. As well as his hypocrisy...note he has yet to give up his Israeli citizenship. E.g, severe lack of credibility.... Raj Nandi:May 7, 2014 at 9:59 pmMost of us don't hate Israelis - we just hate expansionists! Samuele Tofano:May 7, 2014 at 10:12 pmPaula Potaznik That's a very rough generalization, I am definitely not a supporter of neither Stalin or Pol Pot or North Korea or many other criminal dictators. I am against violence and racism of any kind. I am against the ones who say "well, look, they hate us, so we have to hate them - dominate them - even kill them and maybe we are even superior and we should crush them like animals". This actually makes you like the "jihadists" you want to fight. This is all a result of terrible generalizations, forgetting that there are human beings behind every regime, behind every rogue state, behind strongly ideologica leaderships. This makes things more complicated, but maybe gives some hope still. Brandon Roffe:May 8, 2014 at 8:19 amRaj Nandi lol expansionists? have you looked at a map lately.. arabs colonised all of the levant. israel is literally a dot on the map in comparison to the arab/muslim land. Israel gave the sinai back to egypt for peace, clearly theyre not looking to "Expand". Raj Nandi:May 9, 2014 at 12:14 amWhy Mara! Is he not allowed to protest from within, surely another sign of a FASCIST state! Brandon Roffe:May 9, 2014 at 7:45 amRaj Nandi again completely stupidity and complete lies on your part. The beauty of the democratic state of Israel.. ANYONE living in Israel can openly protest the govt WITHOUT the fear of being hung, stoned, killed, jailed.. Imagine saying that anywhere else in the Middle East. Take your nonsense and use it towards actual countries that need change (ie Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria) GO TO ISRAEL and see for yourself. Raj Nandi:May 9, 2014 at 9:27 amOK Brandon, I will take you up on that. I now openly invite Mordechai Vananu to my house in England for a cup of tea and some salmon sandwiches. Do you think the kindly Mr Netanyahu will allow him to come? Brandon Roffe:May 9, 2014 at 11:01 amRaj Nandi haha you continue with your randomness. You make no valid points or really any sense at all and continue to spew diarrhea from the mouth. This has NOTHING to do with your lies you spewed earlier. Typical anti-semitic.. when you realize you've lost the argument, just say stupid things lol Mara Cohen:May 10, 2014 at 4:18 amRaj Nandi Of course he is! Why do you think you have even heard of him! Israel isn't Saudi Arabia where they jail anyone who doesn't go along with the Family of al-Saud, nor Iran, where they butcher young Poets. Why even the hypocritical idiots like Barghouti the BDS'sr attends Israeli Universities....and are allowed to. Raj Nandi:May 10, 2014 at 5:35 pmBrandon Roffé they gave something back Why did they take it in the first place? Raj Nandi:May 10, 2014 at 7:04 pmCliff Pinto Hi Cliff what am a Community Party? Raj Nandi:May 10, 2014 at 7:20 pmMara Cohen So they just jail him, and let him out after many years and stop him talking to outsiders. Do not justify yourselves a democrats by using other nations intolerance, Israel, as a self-stated democracy, should be above that, but it is NOT. Brandon Roffe:May 10, 2014 at 10:00 pmRaj Nandi Hmm when you're attacked but every neighboring army and you WIN the war, you claim the territory, if only for a short time to make sure an attack does not take place again. Come on dude, i know you can't be that stupid. You think Israel is the first country to utilize this important war-time strategy. It's common sense. Brandon Roffe:May 10, 2014 at 10:02 pmRaj Nandi Israel=Freedom of Press... good luck with that in any Arab country.. Turkey for instance, one would think would be heavily democratic--- but in fact has jailed more journalists than any other country. Raj Nandi:May 10, 2014 at 10:22 pmBrandon Roffé Dipshit, freedom of press must include freedom of movement. Building walls does not allow that. Oh Us Israleis allow freedom of press but we don't want you to go anywhere where the freedom of press might be inconvenient for our outrageous truths. Eva Cinquini:May 11, 2014 at 5:40 amSamuele Tofano self hating Jews are a very well documented phenomenon, the fact that you are half Israeli makes you more dangerous not more informed....They say Hitler was partly jewish too. Brandon Roffe:May 11, 2014 at 5:47 amRaj Nandi hu? freedom of press means just that.. Israel allows all journalists to criticize the country as they want.. In any other Arab country, that would be death or imprisonment. And building walls has saved thousands of lives, Jewish lives as well as Israeli-Arab lives you anti-jewish scum. Raj Nandi:May 12, 2014 at 4:51 pmMara Cohen they got caught, that is why! MOSSAD is SS like service! Israel is using Fascist tactics. Israel wanted to cover it up! Marc Pinke:April 25, 2014 at 3:16 pmAnyone on here know who Yaron Shmuel and Oded Ellner are? Kenneth Hammond:April 26, 2014 at 2:43 amUneducated Americans! Clifford Pinto:April 26, 2014 at 12:53 pmKenneth Hammond Says the professional plumber. ;-) Fadi Al-Khayyat:April 27, 2014 at 5:18 pmCliff Pinto Says the misguided child Marc Pinke:April 27, 2014 at 11:06 pmKenneth Hammond , no retards. They are Israelis who were arrested for 9/11. Raj Nandi:May 10, 2014 at 5:37 pmWere they on the Muppet Show arguing in the wings of a theatre? Marc Pinke:May 10, 2014 at 5:39 pmRaj Nandi , no they were Mossad agents arrested by the FBI the morning of 9/11 for having been there to provide surveillance and counter surveillance to the event. Nice guess, though. Glad to see you care about this situation seriously enough. Dipshit. Raj Nandi:May 10, 2014 at 7:03 pmMarc Pinke Mossad are murderous underground agents who are responsible for more deaths than any any other unintelligence organisation. They have no idea what is going on, but just like to kill people. Dipshit yourself, you plank! Mara Cohen:May 11, 2014 at 2:40 amMarc Pinke LOL! Another aluminum hat! Nadim Al Ayaseh:April 25, 2014 at 10:05 pmGreat Work! Hamlette Hok:April 26, 2014 at 1:58 amSpor on. ...well rather spots on. Melvin Toni Gustave:April 26, 2014 at 2:51 amNo matter what reason zionist excuse, killing for occupation sure violent human rights and must be stopped, everyone who pretend not to seen it commit same crime as israel Charlotte Salomon:April 27, 2014 at 8:07 pmWhat about the bombs that are aimed at civilians that are fired at Israel EVERYDAY? What about the free medical care Israel provides all Palestinians? They sing at school to kill all jews. Its a terrorist state. Israel has comint NO crimes. It's propaganda lies because they are terrorists. They would slaughter Jewish babies if they could. THIS is the reality. Jews lived there for over 6000 years, FACT. READ A BOOK.. Melvin Toni Gustave:April 27, 2014 at 11:16 pmCharlotte, what will you do if i become president of some country, and i send tanks, jet, battleship to kill your mother, father, brother, sister and all people you loved, raze your house, abuse you everday just to occupy your land, and i said to world that "Charlotte and their kind dont have right to live because they are terrorists and will kill my people, so i sent my military for pre-emptive strike" Charlotte Salomon:April 27, 2014 at 11:25 pmMelvin Toni Gustave Non of that is true.. I'm here seeing this. I'm very read up and I know exactly what is going on. I see PALESTINIANS trying to kill Israelis. You have it backwards. What if I started a country and wanted to kill you because of your religion? You have it BACKWARDS. Read up, seriously, you have no clue. EVERY DAY palestinians BOMB israel, israel RARELY retaliates. TRYING to spare the civilians. They are a TERROR STATE. They sing baout killing jews in kindergarten. Palestinians have a right to exist. NOONE said otherwise. But Jews MUST be annihilated? you have it backwards. Charlotte Salomon:April 27, 2014 at 11:29 pmThis is FACTUAL and TRUTHFUL and very important to watch... I have Palestinian friends living in Israel. If they come in peace they are accepted and are great citizens, They are escaping the terror that arises in their territories. They love and fight for Israel because Israel accepts them and their faith openly. The world needs to wake up. Please watch. Its a factual video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGYxLWUKwWo Laura Adomaviciute Sargent:April 27, 2014 at 11:31 pmCharlotte Salomon I wonder if one day someone would come to your house , your home where your ancestors lived, your children were born, and this someone, told you - "leave, this house is ours now" - what would you do? wouldn't you fight? wouldn't you protect what belonged years to you? your backyard where you played with your brother or sister, the same backyard that your children and grandchildren played? would you just simply leave? and will be happy with the free health care somewhere in the slums and refugee housings? Melvin Toni Gustave:April 27, 2014 at 11:33 pmPalestinian did that because Israelist CONQUER and KILLING them since 1992, they just protect their families and homeland, of course you will become terrorist too if you saw bomb of jet plane came above your families head Charlotte Salomon:April 27, 2014 at 11:49 pmMelvin Toni Gustave Watch the video... It's NOT their homeland and Israel accepts refugees but the palestinians want all jews to die....... You are IGNORING that point conveniently!!! ALL MEDICAL CARE IS PROVIDIDED FOR FREE BY ISRAEL> And all Palestine wants is to kill jews. Paula Potaznik:April 27, 2014 at 11:50 pmwhat "occupation? In 1917 when the Ottoman (not arab but Turki was split up 44th s miles was set aside for the Indigeneous Jews. In 1922 33 th s miles was given to arabs colonialists of the 7 hundreds. Jews were left with the small amount and in 1948 were ready to share that with the arab colonialists especially sad as so many illegal and legal arabs had migrated to "palestine" for work with the Brits, jewish people as they had no or little work in Iraq, saudi Arabia, lebanon and Syria . Then the Arab states attacked and thus the problem. Another problem is that once arab/muslim invaders lived in a country they consider it an Islamic state (thus Britain and much of Europe and Australai are now considered islamic in the eyes of many muslims) that will always be considered Islamic and must be regained by Jidah. Spain is regularly being considered.. read this and don't believe all the so-called "truth" of this site. http://calevbenyefuneh.blogspot.co.il/2014/04/the-answer-eight-emirates-for.html Charlotte Salomon:April 27, 2014 at 11:51 pmEven ABBAS admits, it was the arab mistake. http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/the-ultimate-arab-mistake-hear-abbas-admit-it-himself You are being groomed and lied to, to keep hate alive. get ahead of them and see the truth. there will be no peace if you believe the lies. Charlotte Salomon:April 27, 2014 at 11:53 pmLaura Adomaviciute Sargent Laura... watch this.. It's not true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_3A6_qSBBQ It's easier to let you watch this. You are spewing a total lie. I'm showing you the truth. Take it, They are lying to keep their war alive. I live here amoungst israelis, arabs and Palestinians who fled to israel. I know the facts. This is warmongering, because the truth doesn't fair well with their cause to kill all jews. Charlotte Salomon:April 27, 2014 at 11:56 pmPaula Potaznik THAT'S THE TRUTH. Melvin Toni Gustave:April 27, 2014 at 11:59 pmCharlotte, thats what i call propaganda by pro-israel, if palestinian really fun killing israelist, they will SLAUGHTER israel-men when they first arrived at 1922, right before israelist multiplying, and of course that will become really easy genocide because palestinian are majority at that time, but palestinian people accept them and try to live side-by-side with israel peacefully before they knew israel is a crook and one more thing, by my knowledge, not all jews support israel country Charlotte Salomon:April 28, 2014 at 12:07 amMelvin Toni Gustave You are typing utter drivel and nothing is true. You are clearly and sadly misguided and not interested in facts, you are exactly what they wanted. Ignorant and hateful. None of your facts are true. I'm unfollowing this post because Ive extended the olive branch of information. If you are too far gone to come back to truth thats very sad. You know nothing about the REAL facts in the middle east, and you are supporting a terror movement and you don't even know it. I HAVE BEEN FIRED ON by Palestinians, don't tell me its propaganda. Ive SEEN IT. I hope, you stop being taken in by the lies.They SAY openly they want to kill all jews its not a secret!! You are all very very misguided. A product or bias media and warmongering dictators. The future is bleak. WATCH the videos. JUST try and see the light. TRY... for the future of the middle east. And btw... none of it is propaganda... read up on factual history... its ALL TRUE. Melvin Toni Gustave:April 28, 2014 at 12:29 amBack to top, i dont support any country which attack another country like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsWyc3R1Nj8 (this video uploaded by Europe), you sleep and thought you in the light Charlote Melvin Toni Gustave:April 28, 2014 at 12:34 amPaula, i am talking about genocide of palestinian by israel especially at 2008-2009 which became headline news all over the world, not mistake of arab country for giving a land for indegenous jews Ijaz Soofi:April 29, 2014 at 9:32 amsorry it the other way round jews terrorists ,you are doing what hitler did to you.you should be ashamed Adam El-Nagar:April 29, 2014 at 12:11 pmCharlotte Salomon LOL you see that's the problem, you've just listed 100% lies, so how is there any arguing with you... it's like tryna explain to someone something, but they already have their ears and eyes shut because they're full of bullshit already. Adam El-Nagar:April 29, 2014 at 12:15 pmMelvin Toni Gustave https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7S5cMoEM-Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UIh72LWvg8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9PRgCwkP4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPqAu8MJ2ns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvM4RZJL-8c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om5mV7EcRLg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etXAm-OylQQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEmQVxfgIzw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UIh72LWvg8 Sacha Baggili:April 29, 2014 at 5:35 pmCharlotte Salomon Charlotte Salomon what are you 'reading' Charlotte? You're in the West Bank and Gaza are you? Been to any Palestinian villages? (Those that are left). How many 'bombs' have you fallen victim to? strange even the Israeli press haven't reported them. Do let me know which kindergartens are teaching their children to sing such things, and I'll send my journalist friends working there to check it out. Or perhaps you could record it yourself for us, seeing as you're really getting around there and getting under the skin of the dymnamics of life there for everyone. Palestine is a 'TERROR' state? How's that when Palestinians don't even have a STATE (That's the whole point Miss, I'm so well informed!). Yes, Israel is a terror state. That's hardly news though. What exactly are you adding to this discourse, other than your racism and ignorance? Sacha Baggili:April 29, 2014 at 5:56 pmCharlotte Salomon Charlotte Salomon Charlotte Salomon Trying to 'kill every day'. How many Israelis have been killed bythe Palestinians (an oppressed, occupied people with no military) in the past, say, 5 years? How many Palestinians gunned down, or killed by bombs and white phosphorous sent by a so-called 'democratic' state that's accepted as a legitimate member of the international community. How many Israeli children have been tortured Palestinians Vs Palestinian children tortured in Israeli military prisons... do you want me to send you the UN reports to help you with the answers to these questions? I think you might need some help Melvin Toni Gustave:April 30, 2014 at 6:58 amThats what i am talking about Adam, thats the reality Clifford Pinto:April 30, 2014 at 1:56 pmLaura Adomaviciute Sargent said: "I wonder if one day someone would come to your house , your home where your ancestors lived, your children were born, and this someone, told you - "leave, this house is ours now" - what would you do? " Laura, you mean like what happened with the 850,000 Jews from countries like Egypt, Yemen, Iraq, Tunisia, Morocco, Egypt, Algeria, Libya, Lebanon, Syria etc., wherein starting the 1940s, the Jewish communities -- that existed in those lands since a thousand years before the Arab and Islamic conquest and inquisition of those lands -- were overnight expelled with nothing but the clothes on their backs, leaving behind their wealth, their property and everything else? Strange, those Jews never resorted to terror and blood-thirsty violence like the Palestinians do. What gives? https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/talking/jew_refugees.html Sacha Baggili:April 30, 2014 at 11:46 pmCliff Pinto - having probs with my Facebook app. But the pomegranate guy said he bought it in 'Jerusalem' they were his words from what I can remember. Not sure what the point of this is though Sacha Baggili:May 2, 2014 at 7:33 pmRaj Nandi couldn't agree more. Well said. Mara Cohen:May 3, 2014 at 5:09 amRaj Nandi And you are quite obviously a flaming idiot. The Arab Palestinians are victims, of their bad to piss poor leadership, corruption and inflated expectations, et al. Simply because most of the Arabs are Muslim gives them no special rights under secular and international laws to rulership of Israe, but d-mn they are truly excellent spin doctors!!!l Friends of Lebanon:April 26, 2014 at 7:36 amWell done--historical statistics tell the story. Corey Multer:April 28, 2014 at 12:11 amOf course you mean historic lies. Sacha Baggili:April 29, 2014 at 9:30 amThat's quite a statement. Tell us what facts stated here are lies? Eva Cinquini:May 5, 2014 at 10:15 amSacha Baggili Every bit! Raj Nandi:May 5, 2014 at 6:30 pmSacha, don't bother responding to that pond life taht is Eve Bamber Moron. She is just a hateful and despicable human being not worth the time. Best wishes, Raj Brandon Roffe:May 8, 2014 at 8:40 amSacha Baggili I mostly skipped it as it lost credibility pretty quickly but easiest one is the somehow 5.3 million Palestinian refugees? That definitely doesn't make sense. UNRWA is a complete joke. its the only charity specifically designed for ONE people, completely ignoring the millions of worldwide refugees. One of UNRWA's credentials for being considered a "Palestinian refugee" is essentially anyone with any blood to a Palestinian. So essentially, I could be born in the US, my mother too, but my grandmother might have been born in the region of Palestine (remember now, Palestine has never been a country) and me, my mom and my grandmother would be classified as refugees... WTF kind of crap is that? think about it. theres tons and tons of BS i can honestly explain to you without all the spatting back and forth.. just facts that i could present to you to make you think Armendáriz Diego:May 9, 2014 at 8:51 pmBrandon Roffé, Palestine has never been a country, so fucking what? Does that give the right to Israel, a very fabricated and artificial country by the way, to annihilate Palestinians where they have liven for hundreds, and hundreds of years? Ahmed Abu El Rub:May 10, 2014 at 4:11 amBrandon Roffé You know whats really funny about your argument that Israel claims that they have the right to take palestine because they once lived there, i qoute " I could be born in the US, my mother too, but my grandmother might have been born in the region of Palestine (remember now, Palestine has never been a country) and me, my mom and my grandmother would be classified as refugees... WTF kind of crap is that?" isnt that what israel did when they went to make a pirate state in Palestine?? they said they had some alleged right coz their ancesters lived there once... just wondering what would u reply to that?, even though that's not how i would defend the Palestinian case but im showing you how you "israel" even mix up their own stories. You made yourself lose the debate just by writing this thank you , have a nice day!! Yasmin Khatun:May 12, 2014 at 12:31 amEve Amber Goodmon lol your funny and blind Sam Lock:May 14, 2014 at 9:40 amCorey Multer, the only ones telling Lies are the zionNazis like you. Tell us how the DAMNed jew reasons pretending they have some "right of return" when the script of your religion requires many fulfilled prophecies that remain to be in the future if that fraud religion were true. Don't get upset at my DAMNed jew comment. If the jews god were real, that is what the zionnazis in Palestine are, DAMNed jews. Not one of the so called "exile" ending prophecy like events have ever happened. If you think they have, where is that jew messiah living? Why hide the jew messiah? See how easy it is to show who is the LIAR in public like I have about you Corey. Sam Lock:May 14, 2014 at 9:49 amBrandon Roffé ROTFLMAO @ that. Everything you pushed off onto the Palestinians are exactly what you Damned jews think you have some "right to". Living born in the USA, but somehow this "right" of an "israel" in Palestine. I love your typical legalese that because they had no organized nation yet so soon after WW2, that gives you card blanch to invade and kill those living there??? Talk about a pot calling kettles black, yew damned jews take the crap. That typical legalese to kill people that had lived there for centuries. Just like your damned fraud of a religion says you have done repeatedly to others in the area each time you decide that it must be your home land? Did you know your religion was first written down while you alleged "jew"s lived where Baghdad is today. The two rivers you are supposed to be living between are the Tigress and the Euphrates rivers. The Nile was no where in sight when those plagiarizing hebrews made up your religion. The jew religion, one homicidal story after the next. Sam Lock:May 14, 2014 at 9:51 amArmendáriz Diego, no, their fraud of a religion is no excuse to kill others and steal what is theirs. Only the mental case criminals would think such a thing was natural. Brandon Roffe:May 14, 2014 at 6:29 pmSlackerSlayer Lock Hmm either your Jewish girlfriend broke up with you or maybe your Jewish boss fired you. Your hatred of Jews would only make Hitler proud... I love how you say they "invaded" and "killed those living there" ... The area was under British occupational control, it was free to immigrate there. Nobody invaded anything you moron. And if the multiple Arab armies hadn't been foaming at the mouth with the idea to "drown all the Jews" this would all be a non-issue. But the Arabs want it all, and want all the Jews dead... I heard Hamas is recruiting though! You'd be a perfect fit. Sam Lock:May 28, 2014 at 11:49 amBrandon Roffé, thank you for your open lies. "The area was under British occupational control, it was free to immigrate there. Nobody invaded anything you moron." I point you to the reality, there were limits on how many could enter Palestine. A very good mini series on British Television titled "The Promise" (2011) will open the closed eyes to the jewish terrorism. It is a four part with each part about 1 hour and 40 minutes long. For someone that does not usually watch movies, I'll say this was well worth the time. It is freely available on line. And just for a show stopper for the usual reply, it was produced and acted primarily by jewish people, so stuff it. The King David Hotel bombing details really fits for a complete summary of the motives and intent of the invaders. Their usual M.O. in their false flag terrorism was also used in that bombing, "dressed up as Arabs". Where have I heard that before. So any jew that thinks they are there with your gods permission, you have another thing coming. You can openly be labeled as damned jews for being in Palestine long before your god has planned for it,,, or so your religious text says so. Sam Lock:May 28, 2014 at 11:51 amps, one of my first girlfriends in the mid 1970's was jewish. A pretty blond hair and blue eye'd German jew. She's still a friend sputnik. I was her best man at her wedding. Do you have any other projections you wish to expose to the world? It was your goy girlfriend that didn't want your skank, right? Dinarun:July 6, 2014 at 11:47 amisraelis will never regognize their misfits for they are a lying people Mara Cohen:July 18, 2014 at 7:55 pmAgreed, statistics tell the story.....http://firstonethrough.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/whos-new-everybody/ Raj Nandi:July 28, 2014 at 4:48 pmStatistics tell statistics. Not real! Experience tells the real story! Zionist winkers, with $3.1 billiion dollar armaments supplied by US, murder Palestinian women and children. NETANYAHU (ZIONIST FASCIST) blames it on Hamas - what a fecking, murderous, winker! Moira Richards:February 19, 2016 at 10:40 pmSam Lock. I agree with you. We've forgotten about the British played a big part in this.. Samer Khalili:April 26, 2014 at 9:30 amGood job,thank you Kenneth Hammond:April 26, 2014 at 1:20 pmNo such nationality as Israeli. Cliff Pinto. Clifford Pinto:April 26, 2014 at 1:23 pmI guess the same is true for Palestinians, no? ;-) Kenneth Hammond:April 26, 2014 at 1:22 pmThe Grand Mufti was a Jewish appointee, no Palestinian ever voted for him, it took Zionists to see his qualities as valuable to them Clifford Pinto:April 26, 2014 at 1:41 pmYeah, he wasn't a "Jewish appointee". Get your head out of the toilet bowl. He was a spiritual leader of the Palestinians, and was a HUGE figure in Palestinian society since the start of the British occupation of the land. A must-read book for you: http://www.amazon.com/The-Farhud-Arab-Nazi-Alliance-Holocaust/dp/0914153145 Julian Carter:April 27, 2014 at 3:35 pmCliff Pinto ..cliff ( i assume thats your picture on the right ) - the 'grand mufti' aka red herring aka deflection aka irrelevant historical figure who had no impact upon the conflict was appointed 'grand mufti by one Herbert Samuel- High Commissioner of Palestine under the British. Now idiot, apologise to the people you offended, get yor head out of your own arse and do some basic reading before you comment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Samuel,_1st_Viscount_Samuel and why not read up on the stern /Lehi nazi alliance at the same time as you recommend literature : ) Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 4:05 pmJulian Carter Oh, ok, so the British were in the business of picking up random people from the streets and appointing them as leaders??? No, you fool. Al-Husseini was ALREADY a very powerful religious and political leader among the Palestinians, and THAT is why the British appointed him. They wouldn't appoint a nobody, would they? They appointed him SPECIFICALLY because he was a very powerful figure in Palestinian society already, got it? [aka irrelevant historical figure who had no impact upon the conflict] I guess it's time for YOU to get your head out of your ass. The Bosnian SS that the Mufti created that resulted in the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Jews is your definition of having "no impact upon the conflict"?? And what about the Farhud Pogrom orchestrated by him in Baghdad in Iraq in 1941? And what about the fact that he was working together to impose Hitler's "Final Solution" on the Jewry living in the Arab world? Clearly, your definition of having "no impact on the conflict" is very different from that of most other sane human beings. Raj Nandi:May 6, 2014 at 6:30 pmCliff Pinto YEAH THE BRITISH WERE! Raj Nandi:May 7, 2014 at 10:06 pmYeah the Brits did it regularly, ie supporting dictators that suited Britissh Interests. In Iran, in Kenya, in South Africa! They have a history of it - they are famous for it! Mara Cohen:May 8, 2014 at 5:39 amKenneth, the Husseini was a BRITISH Appointee. Do not mistake Nationality and Religion. The Brit who appointed Husseini happened to be nominally Jewish, but in a hugely assimilated, British Public School way...e.g. not much. Kenneth Hammond:April 26, 2014 at 1:27 pmPalestine and the rest of the planet recognise their nationality, it takes Zionists through their own legal system to deny theirs Clifford Pinto:April 26, 2014 at 1:40 pmAnd the rest of the world recognises Israel's nationality, too. So what now? Mara Cohen:May 4, 2014 at 2:56 pmKen-really? Then why have their Leaders consistently turned down the opportunity to build their own Nation State. The Kurds didn't get the chance, nor did the Samaritans. No one returned Iran to the Parsi. So, given that a subgroup of the surrounding Arab Populations from the Ottoman Empire were offered a Nation State free and clear, made up of 78% of the British Mandate Lands, (the conquerors who came in after the Turks) post their creation of TransJordan and Iraq, which they gave to Rulers from Arabia. When Jordan occupied the disputed territory on the western bank of the Jordan, outside of their UN Mandated Borders, they moved population there, annexed the area, issued Jordanian Nationality and Passports to the locals, and ethnically cleansed the Jews from the Occupied Area, and expropriated their lands, homes and possessions. Not one peep out of the Arab Palestinians, who were ruled from Amman. Then in 1964, Yasser Arafat, that Egyptian Guy, started the PLO....then in 1967, the Israelis took over the Jordanian occupied territories, which they had held by right of arms, and in fact were never asked to create a Nation State out of the Area, either by the Arabs there, nor by the europeans, or anybody else. The Waqf is still under Jordanian Control, at the request of the Palestinian Authority. Soooo, as there is no Nation State called "Palestine", Jordan has refused to rule in the Disputed Territories again, and the Arab Palestinians have turned down a Nation State twice since the original refusal to become a Nation-State...so where are we now with this issue? I would ask, when is the Islamic World going to recognize Israel as a Nation State....after all, seriously negotiating with something you are pretending does not exist is a bit difficult, wouldn't your say? Raj Nandi:May 7, 2014 at 10:10 pmRest of the world appeased Hitler in the Thirties. Does not make it right, does it Cliff? Mara Cohen:May 8, 2014 at 5:34 amRaj Nandi Nope, Haj Amin al-Husseini got into bed with Hitler in the 40's...and carried Nazi teachings when he returned to the Levant after WW2, and assisted in protecting Nazi War Criminals to escape into IslamoFascist Nation States...and your point is???? Raj Nandi:May 8, 2014 at 11:47 pmMara Cohen My point is that the rest of the world recognise Isreal as a Nation, but are hamstrung by the US and the west to stop ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS. The greed of Israel and their rapacious actions are disliked the world over ( I do not know anyone who supports it from top Government Ministers to ordinary people) however, they realise the REALPOLTIK of the Jewish Lobby in US and the nutjob Right wing Republicans. But ho hum, if you need those nut jobs to support your evil annexation of other peoples land - so be it Raj Nandi:May 9, 2014 at 12:33 amBy the way the rest of the world know that Israel is a bully! It is difficult sometimes to keep quiet. The ILLEGAL OCCUPATION IS WRONG AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IT IS WRONG! Mara can you not see that the settlements are wrong. Do you have no sense of justice? But typical to norm, as an "analyst" with IQ higher than a lampost, you allow something else to get in the way! Awful things happened in WW2 and are still happening. But none of that excuses ILLEGAL SETTLEMENTS! When will you racists get your head round that! Moira Richards:February 19, 2016 at 10:44 pmClifford Pinto? I don't recognise zionist Israel. Kenneth Hammond:April 26, 2014 at 1:30 pmDum fuck ziobots, so busy denying everything else they are to thick to realise all along they have been denying their own national existence! Brandon Roffe:May 8, 2014 at 8:54 amhey buddy, do me a favor, who was the first leader of Palestine? What was the capital of Palestine.. go ahead and send me a link to some cool ancient Palestinian artifacts. I'd love to learn about some great historical Palestinian figures.. lol I'll give you sometime to think ;) Raj Nandi:May 12, 2014 at 5:27 pmBrandon Roffé The first leader of Israel was a mentalist terroris and Israel was formed on terrorism We should look at Begin's legacy and then judge terrorism. But you Israeli Fascists will not, you are so sheltered with the protection of the West that you are inured to real life! Brandon Roffe:May 12, 2014 at 5:43 pmRaj Nandi Let's repeat, who was the first leader of Palestine? What was the capital... I can go on and on. I've done this a million times and have YET to get some nut job like yourself to even attempt at an answer because as we all know, Palestine- the country- is a made up idea that began in 1964. Because if there was a true fight for Palestine-the country- to come into existence, there would've been one in 1948 when Jordan occupied the West Bank and Egypt occupied Gaza. Raj Nandi:May 17, 2014 at 5:42 pmBrandon Roffé Non Sequitir as usual from you! Brandon Roffe:May 17, 2014 at 9:37 pmRaj Nandi When you or any of you nut jobs can answer those questions, i'll shut up.. but you cant so i digress :) Brandon Roffe:May 31, 2014 at 1:05 amRaj Nandi hmm I'm pretty sure the first leader of Israel was Saul but okay buddy Raj Nandi:June 4, 2014 at 6:41 pmBrandon Roffé Yeah one of the first Kings of England burnt his toast. But we, in UK, have managed to get over that! Raj Nandi:June 14, 2014 at 7:25 pmBrandon Roffé TWAT! Henry Hornstein:July 13, 2014 at 9:32 pmRaj Nandi Brandon Roffe pins you to the wall and the best you can do is bring up non sequiturs and hurl obscene insults...so typical of the inferior mind! And by the way, dickhead, read some history - while the word Palestine appears in the Bible, it only refers to many different lands in the MidEast with many different borders. The Palestine you talk about is a modern construction, and the so-called Palestinians are a created people of convenience. Look at how poorly your Arab brothers have treated the Palestinians. They don't care, and wish they would go away (e.g., Saudi Arabia). The only reason they USE them is to try to justify attacking Israel! Raj Nandi:July 14, 2014 at 7:31 pmHenry Hornstein You are such a racist twat! Born of the mindset of Zionism you will you use history going back thousands of years, and rely on a non-existent God to give you credence, to occupy land that clearly does not belong to you. Let us stick to the rule of law, you wanker, you rate occupying land that is clearly against UN Resolutions. You are using US backed armaments to force thorough what you are doing . Brandon Rolfe could not pin a butterfly to a piece of paper, let alone me, because you and him are just relying on ancient history to justify your occupation. Forget the FUCKING Levant, start living now, WANKER! I just see the nasty Zionists sitting on on hill, sipping champagne, and wanking their knobs off watching the Gaza hospital bombed out of existence. "Sicko," I think we need to appropriate that word to the right people. In my mind the sickos are the Racist , Zionist scumbags! You guys sicken me! Brandon Roffe:July 14, 2014 at 7:44 pmRaj Nandi hmm i dont think were relying on ancient history, im pretty sure we're relying on UN resolution 181. :) as for the occupation, this occupation was not brought about spontaneously to hurt the Arabs, bc as u should already know, Israel has already made peace with 2 Arab countries and has 1.7 million of them living within their country peacefully, free, and open to free speech, etc. The occupation was in defense and essentially paranoia after 2 regional wars brought upon by multiple arab armies in Israels first 19 years of existence. Not to mention, this eventually lead to initifads and suicide bombings. Occupation will end when Palis stop preaching hate to their children and put down their weapons. Raj Nandi:July 17, 2014 at 10:57 pmBrandon Roffé Why ignore the other resolutions, Plank! How is your hand, not chafing i hope! Alonso Cunha:July 25, 2014 at 12:55 pmWatch this and consider your selfishness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqsnLkLRcW4 Henry Hornstein:July 26, 2014 at 12:40 amRaj Nandi And you sicken me! Name calling and antagonism are your weapons because there is nothing in what you say that is rational. I am not a Zionist, and never have been, while it is clear that you are a hate-monger with little else of value to say! Linda Ali Mirza:April 26, 2014 at 3:12 pmPalestinian and proud. I just hope for the best for both people. We are all human at the end of the day and will get through this. Have a great day! Ayah Mansour:April 26, 2014 at 3:46 pmPalestinian and proud to be, all the aforesaid facts are true but we will get rid of all these Zionists one day! Zainab Umar Rao:April 27, 2014 at 11:21 aminn shaa allaah Ayah Mansour:April 27, 2014 at 4:09 pm Cliff Pinto of course she knows that :P but she is Muslim and that is the relation between her and Palestine but could you just tell me what is your business in this subject as you are replying all the comments!! Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 4:10 pmAyah Mansour So you're saying all Muslims should support Palestine? Zainab Umar Rao:April 27, 2014 at 4:15 pmCliff Pinto just if you had any idea of what i said...you would not have said that... Ayah Mansour:April 27, 2014 at 4:16 pmCliff Pinto but first tell me why did you delete your previous comment :P Zainab Umar Rao:April 27, 2014 at 4:22 pmCliff Pinto there is a thing called "notification"..whenever you comment the notification thing is sent to all commenters...so it turns out to be even more ridiculous when you delete your comment... Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 4:25 pmAyah Mansour Sorry, I'm very Facebook illiterate. I'm not very computer savvy. I deleted it thinking that I wouldn't get any more notifications from you people, but that's obviously not the case. Thanks for telling me about turning off the notifications. Ayah Mansour:April 27, 2014 at 4:33 pmCliff Pinto you're welcome, you know I'm glad since I achieved to help you finally :D Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 4:51 pmAyah Mansour Great, now do you have an answer to my question? Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 4:51 pmZainab Umar Rao Question to you: When are you planning to give the Baloch their independence? It's a bit hypocritical to demand Palestine's independence and then deny the same independence to the Baloch, don't you agree? Ayah Mansour:April 27, 2014 at 5:03 pmCliff Pinto the answer is yes, at least by feelings Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 5:05 pmAyah Mansour Great, and the Balochistani independence? Would you support that as well? The Baloch people are currently being persecuted terribly by Pakistan, so do you support their right to independence? Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 5:06 pmAyah Mansour And is it also the duty of every Muslim to support Balochistan independence as well? Zainab Umar Rao:April 27, 2014 at 5:19 pmCliff Pinto you sound so defensive after being ridiculed...and yes Balochistan dispute will be solved soon after Kashmir's independence from Indian forces Ayah Mansour:April 27, 2014 at 5:20 pmCliff Pinto dont play such games and don't compare tomatoes with cucumbers! Zainab Umar Rao:April 27, 2014 at 5:21 pmCliff Pinto ..for your question regarding the duty of a Muslim regarding Balochistan issue...there is hell lot of a difference between National and Global issues...but if you just understand Ayah Mansour:April 27, 2014 at 5:23 pmZainab Umar Rao Super like Zainab Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 5:23 pmZainab Umar Rao What do you mean "yes Balochistan dispute will be solved soon " ?? What is your definition of "solved soon" ?? Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 5:24 pmAyah Mansour Quit avoiding the question: Should Balochistan have independence or not? And if not, why not? Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 5:24 pmZainab Umar Rao And why is Balochistan not a global issue but Palestine is a global issue? Ayah Mansour:April 27, 2014 at 5:26 pmCliff Pinto I just repeat what Zainab said "there is hell lot of a difference between National and Global issues...but if you just understand" Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 5:27 pmAyah Mansour Exactly, which is why I asked her, why is Palestine a global issue but Balochistan is not a global issue? Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 5:28 pmAyah Mansour And if there is a difference between global and national issue, you STILL haven't answered my question: Should Balochistan get independence or not? And if not, why not? Don't keep avoiding the question. Zainab Umar Rao:April 27, 2014 at 5:30 pmsuper love for Ayah Mansour and all the Palestinians...I wish if we could just revive the spirit in whole Muslim ummah for Palestine, Kashmir, Chechnya, Syria and yes for those lands which do not seem occupied in first sight.... Ayah Mansour:April 27, 2014 at 5:32 pmCliff Pinto My answer is simply "I am not involved" and by the way I started getting board of this endless discussion with you! Claudine Abdul Massih:April 26, 2014 at 3:50 pmThis is the kind of resistance I love and encourage. It has more impact than any other action. The comments show also how some israeli people are unable to defend their ideas and prove that Israel is building its identity on intolerance and discrimination. Clifford Pinto:April 26, 2014 at 7:10 pmWhen is YOUR country planning to end the ghettoization and apartheid against Palestinians? Just wonderin' Claudine Abdul Massih:April 26, 2014 at 11:50 pmCliff Pinto, I am also very critical of how arab countries are dealing with this humanitarian disaster. This cause has been instrumented for too long now and I think that the best ambassadors of palestinians are themselves, that's why I encourage campaigns such as this one Samira Peri:April 27, 2014 at 2:10 pmCliff Pinto If you think that's a counter argument you have no idea how debate works. Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 4:11 pmSamira Peri And since you clearly have no rebuttal to what I said, I guess debating isn't exactly your forte either? ;-) Claudine Abdul Massih:April 27, 2014 at 5:16 pmAre you saying that as long as others have no respect for human rights than you allow yourself to discriminate the population in your country? So what have Jews learned from their own history and what lesson do they want to give to the world when they ask to commemorate the Shoah? Clifford Pinto:April 27, 2014 at 5:25 pmClaudine Abdul Massih Did I say that? I whole heartedly support a two-state solution based on 1967 lines, with mutually agreed land swaps and tremendous financial compensation for both Palestinian refugees and also the Jewish refugees from the Arab nations. I don't support what many Muslims/Arabs support, the completely annihilation of Israel, whether by war or by demographics. Sorry, if that's too "illiberal" a position for you. And again, considering how your country and most other Arab countries treat Palestinians.......Heck, not just Palestinians........Gays, Christians, non-Muslims, apostates, blasphemers, adulterers etc etc etc etc., I'm not particularly sure you have any kind of upper hand in as much as even pointing a finger at Israel. Seriously! Claudine Abdul Massih:April 27, 2014 at 6:07 pmCliff Pinto I still believe in a world where people could live together in peace. I know it's not the trend nowadays especially in the region. I am from a multi ethnic country and I don't think that muslims are more intolerant than christians or vice versa. I think that the more we live divided the more we emphasize the bad side of the other. Dividing the world into ethnic groups will not bring a long term peace. That's what I think. And even though I live in a confessional country, I fight for laicity, and we are many in Lebanon regardless of the religion. Mara Cohen:May 1, 2014 at 4:23 pmClaudine Abdul Massih Then of course, you would not mind returning Safra Family properties expropriated by the Christian Lebanese Government? The expropriation done, because the Safra Family was Jewish? Claudine Abdul Massih:May 1, 2014 at 8:48 pmMara Cohen Do you have doubts on that? You should be more informed of all the work that was done the last years in Lebanon to recover the image of the jewish-lebanese community. Downtown Beirut's synagogue was restored with the money of Solidere but also Hezbollah, books and documentaries were made. Some jews still live in Lebanon, many visit it without being discriminated and are even selling their properties. I remind you that it is one of the 17 official communities in Lebanon. What we fight in Lebanon is Sionism not Judaism, it is more a political extremist point of view that seems natural for you to claim because you were brainstormed for decades. I invite you to read Gad Lerner's book (an italian journalist of jewish-lebanese origins) "Scintille". He tells about his experience of the Lebanese people, their kindness and hospitality, the happy memories that his family kept compared to his eastern european family who suffered discrimination and deportation. Your hate of arabs is only tactical. It allows you to claim more. It is time you accept the idea that Israel is not fighting for its rights but it is taking advantage of a political situation that allows it to claim for more. It's a game of power not human rights. Claudine Abdul Massih:May 1, 2014 at 9:16 pmCliff Pinto That's what I found on the Internet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_and_Judaism Clifford Pinto:May 1, 2014 at 9:45 pmClaudine Abdul Massih You're telling me about that Wikipedia link because? Claudine Abdul Massih:May 1, 2014 at 9:58 pmCliff Pinto Because in your previous comment, you were accusing Muslims to be more intolerant than other religions towards gays, etc. Anyone could use this kind of texts to accuse also Judaism to be intolerant. It's a never ending game of accusing others to be worse Clifford Pinto:May 1, 2014 at 10:27 pmClaudine Abdul Massih I don't bother what the texts say, neither Judaism nor Islam. In Israel, no Gay person gets killed for being Gay. There is a very, very vibrant LGBT culture in Israel, with lots of Gay parades and Gay bars. Gay life is celebrated there. About Muslims and Gays........Hmmmmm.....Let's see........A person could get killed BY LAW in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Bangladesh, Egypt, Tunisia etc. etc. etc. You get my point, don't you? I don't care what the scriptures of Judaism or Islam, I care about the ACTIONS of Jews and Muslims, and with regards Homosexuality, Muslims have the WORST record as compared to ALL religions. Claudine Abdul Massih:May 2, 2014 at 7:54 pmCliff Pinto Change in a society needs peace and democracy. When Israel and the US bomb our countries continuously with the alibi of bringing peace and democracy, or when they sell weapons to corrupt and archaic regimes, they do exactly the opposite. They just delay change. Most of the change western countries made was after WW2, during a period of peace and stability. Eva Cinquini:May 5, 2014 at 11:42 amThere is nothing to defend. Look at what is happening in Arab countries and try to defend that. Claudine Abdul Massih:May 5, 2014 at 1:02 pmEve Amber Goodmon What is happening in Arab countries is only the beginning of a generalized crisis. Look at what is happening in Crimea, in Central Africa, everywhere, maybe one day in the US or in Europe (don't forget what happened only 70 years ago). Who knows? Does it mean that the common people deserve it and they cannot be defended? If this is what you think, then don't expect anyone to defend your cause Sacha Baggili:May 5, 2014 at 2:30 pmEve Amber Goodmon yeah - human rights abuses elsewhere is a great reason for you to support human rightys abuses - including house demolitions, land expropriation and child torture in Israel. Makes perfect sense. You have every reason to take the higher moral ground. Well done. Racists colonialist, how do you sleep at night? Raj Nandi:May 6, 2014 at 6:51 pmCliff Pinto i now understand where you are coming from and whilst I agree with most of your comments, I still think we need to deal with the initial injustice. The pre-1967 border is where we should start peace negotiations. Arab States would fall behind that. Fatah and the West also. It sure would undermine Hamas. But we need to stop the Greater Israel project now, and get the settlers out! Sacha Baggili:May 6, 2014 at 7:21 pmRaj Nandi Only - I personally think Hamas would fall behind that too anyway. People are weary, they want a life. And those that elected Hamas (including Gazan Christians, that were just so desperate for any change in momentum that would get somewhere after the second Intifada) would want / expect Hamas to go with that. But as you say, pre-1967 border as the start of talks, not 1967 border as land to be carved up and conveniently forgetting what huge losses have been suffered and concessions made already. and a compensation process.. ie. reparations. And then a reconciliation process... I was invloved in some of the activities taking place around the Barcelona process back in the mid 1990s - intended to build 'bridges of understanding' through contact in social, media and cultural fields during the Oslo talks / process. It was just completely undermined by aggressive illegal settlement expansion. The whole thing was such a waste of time, effort, money, energy and emotions. Really tragic. Raj Nandi:May 7, 2014 at 10:51 pmHi Cliff, you do not take any kind of part in debate. All I see from you is videos and pictures trying to show atrocities committed by one side. THAT IS NOT DEBATE, because we can all do it! Debate is an intellectual process, trying to tease out different strands of rationale. You are not like the moron Mara Cphen, becuase you do try to reconcile differences, however hard that is. But keep the dialogue going, especially with Sacha, stop using videos, because both sides can do that, and start engaging in a rationale process! Easy, peasy - not really! Best wishes, raj! Raj Nandi:May 7, 2014 at 11:17 pmCliff why is all your answers predicated on someone else doing something. I totally agree with you that there are lots of things wrong in the world, but GREATER ISRAEL is WRONG per se! Do not try to defend it by saying other things are wrong. Sam Lock:May 14, 2014 at 9:32 amCliff Pinto, why do you people always use "the other guy,,," excuse? We are talking about YOU and YOUR crimes against humanity. It is as if you are some alien invader to Earth and your main target are humans. You require spilled blood each "holi-day" you people have. The history and newspapers show each time you "celibate" you do it with bombs and bullets. Brandon Roffe:May 14, 2014 at 6:25 pmSlackerSlayer Lock its called a double standard.. Like last month when Syria had the nerve to create a human rights resolution against Israel for the mistreatment of Syrian people escaping Syria into Israel. Are you kidding me?! Syria kills hundreds of thousands of their own people, Israel takes them in, puts them in their hospitals and Syria complains. Wow. You'd fit right in with Syria. I'll buy your plain ticket and lets see how fast you come crawling to Israel's borders. Sam Lock:May 20, 2014 at 1:38 amBrandon Roffé, but THIS topic is about the criminals and ANTI-Jewish God occupiers of Palestine. You do know that the jews are still under their Exile From the place condition, right?? If not, they have you where they need you to, ignorant people. Not one of those prophecies the religious text describes has ever taken place for the jew to claim their exile is over. Dumb to their initial crimes that started it all, by thinking they can pretend their exile is over. If you want to be the "good jew", then get with your own religion, and you too condemn the "israeli" scum for what they really are. Take your "double standards" and place it where you prefer. Brandon Roffe:May 20, 2014 at 2:59 amSlackerSlayer Lock no idea what you said but thank goodness for israel, the only sane place in the middle east that isn't a country with people killing each other. :) makes me smile knowing nothing you can do about it but sit there with your envy :) :) :) Budi Santoso:April 26, 2014 at 6:22 pmWheres justice??...oh i forget..no justice for moeslem...specialy palestinian...what a world Wahid Tahan:April 26, 2014 at 6:43 pmIf there is no separation, the logical long-term default seems to be a single state of Israelis and Palestinians, in which neither has superior rights. Most Israelis dismiss this as not plausible - but history may not ask Israel its view. How long can Israelis continue to insist that beyond the 1967 lines - which they hardly themselves respect, considering the settlement construction - there must be a different regime than in Israel proper, one in which Palestinians are denied full democratic rights, unlike their brethren within the country's official borders? Even many Israelis now see a single democratic state as inevitable. Some are leftists who always disliked the nationalism inherent in establishing a Jewish state; others cannot bring themselves to abandon the land, often for religious reasons; and then there are others who have simply despaired of a way out. Abbas alluded to this in a meeting several days ago with Israeli lawmakers, threatening to "hand over the keys" of the Palestinians' autonomy government, saddle Israel with direct control of millions of Palestinians, and let it fend for itself. "The only realistic solutions are the two states or one state," Tirawi said. "If Israel keeps building in our land, the Palestinian Authority would collapse and then we are going to end up with one state for two peoples. And I think this has become the more realistic." If there is no separation, the logical long-term default seems to be a single state of Israelis and Palestinians, in which neither has superior rights. Most Israelis dismiss this as not plausible - but history may not ask Israel its view. How long can Israelis continue to insist that beyond the 1967 lines - which they hardly themselves respect, considering the settlement construction - there must be a different regime than in Israel proper, one in which Palestinians are denied full democratic rights, unlike their brethren within the country's official borders? Even many Israelis now see a single democratic state as inevitable. Some are leftists who always disliked the nationalism inherent in establishing a Jewish state; others cannot bring themselves to abandon the land, often for religious reasons; and then there are others who have simply despaired of a way out. Abbas alluded to this in a meeting several days ago with Israeli lawmakers, threatening to "hand over the keys" of the Palestinians' autonomy government, saddle Israel with direct control of millions of Palestinians, and let it fend for itself. "The only realistic solutions are the two states or one state," Tirawi said. "If Israel keeps building in our land, the Palestinian Authority would collapse and then we are going to end up with one state for two peoples. And I think this has become the more realistic." If there is no separation, the logical long-term default seems to be a single state of Israelis and Palestinians, in which neither has superior rights. Most Israelis dismiss this as not plausible - but history may not ask Israel its view. How long can Israelis continue to insist that beyond the 1967 lines - which they hardly themselves respect, considering the settlement construction - there must be a different regime than in Israel proper, one in which Palestinians are denied full democratic rights, unlike their brethren within the country's official borders? Even many Israelis now see a single democratic state as inevitable. Some are leftists who always disliked the nationalism inherent in establishing a Jewish state; others cannot bring themselves to abandon the land, often for religious reasons; and then there are others who have simply despaired of a way out. Abbas alluded to this in a meeting several days ago with Israeli lawmakers, threatening to "hand over the keys" of the Palestinians' autonomy government, saddle Israel with direct control of millions of Palestinians, and let it fend for itself. "The only realistic solutions are the two states or one state," Tirawi said. "If Israel keeps building in our land, the Palestinian Authority would collapse and then we are going to end up with one state for two peoples. And I think this has become the more realistic." Asmir Bibic:April 26, 2014 at 7:49 pm........................... Max A Naar:April 26, 2014 at 8:28 pmApartheid suggests a minority ruling over a majority. Looking at the amount of Palestinians in Gaza and the West bank makes approximately 5.2 million, whereas the Jewish population within Israel is around 6.1 million. Whilst they are getting dangerously close, they are not yet in that situation. I also refuse to believe a state in which an Israeli Arab/Palestinian judge can convict and send the Israeli President to prison is undemocratic. Sacha Baggili:April 29, 2014 at 12:35 pmDOH! around 6.1 million now as a result of illegal settlement activity, aided immigration from Europe and America and the forced displacement and murder of native population! And the millions of Palestinians in refugee camps in bordering countries and the millions of others in diaspora around the world.... hmmm, lets just hope the world doesn't notice that minor technical hitch. And giving some of the Arabs in Israel partial rights, while effecting a brutal and suffocating illegal occupation, spells true democracy and equality for Palestinians does it? God, how stupid do you think the world is. Do you really think people are going to swallow this rubbish? Brandon Roffe:May 8, 2014 at 9:30 amSacha Baggili hmm so now these so called "Palestinians" (which there was never any reference to before 1964) are the native population lol oh it just keeps getting better. Please I would LOVE to know.. who was the original leader of these Palestinian people? I'd love to see some ancient Palestinian artifacts, can you send me a link? Or how about an old Palestinian book, some literature perhaps? Ancient Jewish history is ALL OVER THE country, yet finding even one piece of ancient or even historic "Palestinian history" is impossible. Face it, you've been lied to. Arabs of the land were nomadic people from all walks of the Arab world. The Jewish people have been on the land for over 3000 years. Most were kicked out, but some were lucky to stay and those Jewish people are the same Jews that built up the land from what Mark Twain called ""..... A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds... a silent mournful expanse.... a desolation.... we never saw a human being on the whole route.... hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.".. that was in 1867 Mohannad Tee:July 2, 2014 at 6:42 pmBrandon Roffé Lets say there was no leader or artifacts or anything but the people inhabited the land, what are you trying to justify? Brandon Roffe:July 2, 2014 at 6:45 pmMohannad Tee what im trying to argue is this... Throughout history, there has never been a reported "Palestinian people" Even when the Arabs occupied Gaza/ Judea and Samaria (name was then changed to "West Bank" by Jordan in '48), there was never a movement to create a land for a so called "Palestinian people".. It wasn't until 1946 that we first heard of these people. The idea there is a Palestinian people is a lie. It's what has created this whole mess. There are 1.7 million free Arabs lving in Israel, so to argue that Jews want all the Arabs dead clearly cannot be true. Paul Trueman:April 26, 2014 at 9:39 pmThis is brilliant. Heartbreaking, but brilliant. Thank you. Peter Frizelle:April 27, 2014 at 1:58 amAs a White South African I pray for your freedom and hope the Jewish Nation is never left in the position of shame and deep regret for what they have allowed to transpire against another people. Raj Nandi:May 6, 2014 at 6:41 pmBut Peter they are! They are an Apartheid nation just as South Africa in the fifties and sixties, seventies and eighties! Brandon Roffe:May 8, 2014 at 8:52 amRaj Nandi apartheid nation? A freakn ARAB MUSLIM judge in the ISRAELI SUPREME COURT sentenced the PRESIDENT OF ISRAEL to jail!! how much further from apartheid can you get lol you guys are nuts. 20% of Israel is comprised of Arabs who have full rights. In fact, Israeli Arabs were polled and stated that they would never leave Israel for a future Palestinian state. Raj Nandi:May 8, 2014 at 11:19 pmBrandon Roffe SETTLING ON OCCUPIED LANDS AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR LANDS, THEN STICKING UP A FREAKING WALL IS APARTHEID! NO OTHER WORD DESCRIBES IT BETTER! Tokenism is not an answer to Colonialism! In India we have many serious minded people who believe that the British were a force for good. They forget that the Brits raped the country but left India with a railway system and massive disparity of wealth! ISRAEL IS AN APARTHEID STATE - nothing more! Brandon Roffe:May 9, 2014 at 7:43 amRaj Nandi so lets ignore the fact that 20% of Israel is made up Arabs who have full rights to vote, work, go to school etc. There are Arabs in the Israeli govt. openly criticizing Israel (some even meeting with Hamas). Funny thing is, Arabs in Israel have better quality of life than anywhere else in the Middle East. A recent poll showed that Israeli Arabs do not want to be apart of a future Palestinian state but want to stay as Israeli citizens. And that wall you speak of, has saved thousands of lives. Since the wall has been put up, suicide bombings have stopped. You're clearly just upset more Jews aren't dying. Raj Nandi:May 10, 2014 at 5:46 pmBrandon Roffé So a bit of tokenism. 20% eh. It was over 70% before Israel used annexation, now who does that remind me of. Oh, just got it Hitler in Sudentland. Brandon Roffe:May 10, 2014 at 9:43 pmRaj Nandi it would've been 100% in their own state silly but the Arabs said no... In 1937 Peel Commission and 1947 Parititon Plan. Arabs want it all, doesn't work like that... Again though, you're missing my point.. You nut jobs love to scream apartheid but even you dont believe it. Raj Nandi:May 10, 2014 at 10:45 pmBrandon Roffé But I do believe it and so does most of the world! Raj Nandi:May 17, 2014 at 6:25 pmBrandon Roffé Get the settlements sorted. You must realise that it is iniquitous1 Because I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE STUPID, EVEN THOGH I MAY SAY SO! Brandon Roffe:May 17, 2014 at 9:43 pmRaj Nandi So here and now you're stating Israel is an apartheid state? Be careful with your words Raj Nandi:May 30, 2014 at 10:47 pmBrandon RofféBenjamin Netanyahu - בנימין נתניהו is HITLER with a different haT! Brandon Roffe:May 31, 2014 at 1:02 amRaj Nandi you're an idiot. How insensitive and disgusting you are. Raj Nandi:May 31, 2014 at 5:03 pmBrandon Roffé Why? He is a racistst, expansionist moron! How does that make me insensitive. I believe I have made a very favourable comparison, between Netanayahu and Hitler! Tell me the great differences! Brandon Roffe:May 31, 2014 at 7:14 pmAre you reading what you're writing. You're a sick, evil man who needs serious help. Absolutely appalling, of course you would compare a Jew to the Jewish people's biggest murderer. Insensitive and just plain ignorant. This is where I draw the line. Hitler murdered what? like 12 million people. Occupied entire countries, brainwashed millions, scapegoated Jews, aimed for global domination. Netanyahu is in a regional battle with islamist extremists, his "Expansionism" puts settlements in what, 2% of disputed lands, which is equates to one MILLIONTH of a percent of the lands of the middle east. He puts Palestinians and Syrians rebels in his hospitals, sends international aid to places like Serbia, Haiti, Japan and Turkey when disaster strikes, provides the best living environment in the Middle East for Israel's minorities. 20% of Israel, made up of Arabs have better quality of life in Israel than they would anywhere else in the Middle East. Long Live Israel you anti-Semitic, envious bastard. Raj Nandi:May 31, 2014 at 7:47 pmBrandon Roffé I am sick, but not evil. I just see a sick society. And the sickest part of society in my mind are the greedy, land grabbing monsters! HITLER, SHARON, ASSAD, NETANYAHU etc., etc, - THEY ARE ALL EVIL BROTHERS IN ARMS! Do not count numbers , count AIMS! These evil shits are followed by evil, rat infested vermin like you! Once you understand that you will understand life! Raj Nandi:May 31, 2014 at 7:52 pmBrandon Roffé And calling me anti-semitic means I have won the argument. All you Zionist nut jobs resort to anti-semitism argument when you lose the thread! Well, FUCK OFF, Brandon Rolfe cos I is not anti-semitic. Find one piece of my threads that would lead you that conclusion. I have different view points from you. but it is NEVER, NEVER anti-semitic, you think WANKER! Brandon Roffe:May 31, 2014 at 11:29 pmRaj Nandi u want one piece of your thread? how bout every lol i love when u wackos get mad and start insulting. You are anti-semitic. I'm not trying to insult or demonize you, im merely stating the truth about you. To compare Netanyahu to Hitler, hell to compare (almost) anyone in the world to Hitler is absolutely ignorant and disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself. Khaled Mashal needs mor e men like you! You're obsession with Israel is maddening.. And I love it because there is NOTHING you can do about it :) :) :) Raj Nandi:June 1, 2014 at 8:07 amBrandon Roffé so you could not find one, then! I have an obsession with injustice. In the seventies it was Cambodia and Pol Pot, South Africa and apartheid etc. And now it is China and Tibet. I happen to comment on Israel as well. Please do not gloat about your unjustified treatment of Palestinians. You never know hen the tail may come back and snap your balls. As for you, I feel sorry for you - nothing more. But I am sick of your rants. We do not share any ideas so I will not respond to your sick comments any further. Goodbye and have a nice life! Mangisto Taganiya:April 27, 2015 at 10:06 ami better be "ashamed" and not dead, like the arabs want to see me... like they are killing other people, all around the globe. Tamar Borsook:April 27, 2014 at 3:05 pmamazing stuff. this one i will show... Pierre Martin:April 27, 2014 at 4:35 pmAmazing work. This should be shown at journalism or communication school! And everywhere... Ahron אהרון Eisman:April 28, 2014 at 5:30 amSchools tend to teach facts not lies. Do some research. The easiest one may be #10 but i hope that gives you some doubt to the authenticity of the rest of them. Nico Vollenweider:September 9, 2014 at 2:26 amDepends who runs the schools... Phil Assouline:April 27, 2014 at 6:13 pmAll lies, distortion a and manipulations... Jihadism masquerading as human rights in order to exploit and abuse westerners' natural compassion. Same bs for 30 years. A case built on lies is a worthless one. A cause based on hatred and manipulation is not legit. Not a single one of the images above is honest. But they have nice colors so they fool everyone. Pathetic. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10202317668167247 Andrew Gilbert:April 28, 2014 at 4:05 amMaybe you could point out the information above which is lies". Then provide your sources like the makers of the info-graphics have done. Ahron אהרון Eisman:April 28, 2014 at 5:18 amAndrew Gilbert Dont have time to do them all. But please look @ number 10 as an example. "Palestinians banned in the West Bank today". The truth: It has an estimated population of 2,676,740 (July 2013).More than 80%, about 2,100,000, are Palestinian Arabs, and approximately 500,000 are Jewish Israelis living in the West Bank. (Source: The World Factbook – Middle East: West Bank". Central Intelligence Agency See also Geography of the West Bank.) But feel free to look up any other reliable source. -Don't believe everything they tell you. Sacha Baggili:April 29, 2014 at 2:21 pm'Do not believe everything they tell you'?! Indeed... most people are intelligent enough to work out fact from fiction by using their eyes, common sense and a basic standard of moral integrity. The world is no longer swallowing the Zionist crap of 'Palestine never existed', 'The Palestinians came from Cyprus',' the Palestinians are savage barbarians that want to kill jews' 'they're all jihadists, nothing to do with wanting the same basic human rights that the rest of the world are entitled to". People see what's there - millions of people displaced, oppressed, land expropriated, livelihoods trashed, homes demolished, daily movement restricted, children shackled and tortured... all of which is documented in reports by the UN and internationally respected human rights observers. People are no longer falling for the Zionists lies. The PR spin and the powerful Zionist lobby have lost the control reigns... they can't control the free flow of the truth and the reality across the internet. This abuse has to stop. It cannot be justified to rational and humane beings. Ahron Eisman, its an inphographic!! 2,676,740 palestinians are banned from free movement across their West Bank territory and the millions displaced in refugee camps are banned from travelling to see their family in the West Bank. What other facts are you disputing? Sacha Baggili:April 29, 2014 at 6:44 pmand its Palestinians banned from buses DOH! Ahron אהרון Eisman:April 30, 2014 at 7:02 amSacha Baggili The purpose of info graphics are to convey important information in a visual way. What this "infographic" says is: "Palestinians Banned in the west bank today". This is an untrue statement. Fact is the majority of people living in the west bank are "Palestinian" arabs. The info graphic isnt saying any of the additional things you have said. The infographic is spreading a false idea that "Palestinian" arabs are banned from the west bank. Which they are not. It's funny because i was in Israel the other week. Throughout all of the jewish areas you see heaps of arabs walking around in their traditional arab clothing with no fear of being mistreated. However when my family and i went up on to the temple mount we were in fear for our lives as the arabs apprached us yelling "Allah Hu akbar". When we walked through the Arab markets in jerusalem we spoke with arabs, i bought scarves and a pomegranate juice from an arab, but when we drove past Arab towns it says very clearly "This road leads to a Palestinian Village. Entrance for Israeli citizens is dangerous" & "This road leads to Area "A" under the Palestinian Authority. The entrance for israeli citizens is Forbidden, Dangerous to your lives and is against the israeli law". You guys on the other side of the world, fed lies by arab supremicists wouldnt have a clue. Its just sad that you can't see the truth and arent even bothered looking in to it. And at some time when militant islam comes knocking on your door you'll be turning to the people you have so strongly condemned for help. Sacha Baggili:April 30, 2014 at 7:22 amNo really???! Well I'm shocked? The forces that illegally occupy the West Bank have put up a sign on the entrance to one of the enclaves that they've imprisoned the natives in 'as dangerous to Israeli citizens'? Well blow me down. Those pesky 'dangerous' Palestinians. Watch out for them, they come out of wombs, foaming at the mouth, and with rockets in their hands. Get a grip, you silly little man. Sacha Baggili:April 30, 2014 at 7:54 amAhron אהרון Eisman Eisman such a hardship for you not to be able to go to a Palestinian village. Did you need to see family there? Did you need to get money to a sick child? What areas did you go to where 'Arabs' (who all walk around with 'traditional headscarves on all the time... I'm wearing mine to work this morning) were 'walking around freely'. Please do tell. Were they skipping around with big smiles on their faces. You bought 'scarves and a pomegranate' from 'an Arab'... goodness... can Arabs count money? thought they only knew about 'rockets' and 'jihad'? And so kind of the Isreali government to let a native sell a pomegranate in one of the areas it illegally occupies. So, so reasonable. And you bought a headscarf... getting down there with the Arab culture, really getting under the skin of the place. You cosmopolitan you. Goodness. Sounds like this trip really opened your eyes. And the West Bank check points. You queued up with all the natives to experience their daily lives did you? How was that? Please, do tell me more. I've never been. Ahron אהרון Eisman:April 30, 2014 at 12:13 pmSacha Baggili Previously replied on the wrong thread. Apologies. While you can choose to believe whatever you would like facts are: -Jews accepted the partition plan. Arabs didnt. Arabs attacked and started a war that they then went on to lose. Not only that, the surrounding arab countries were so confident that they would anhilate the jewish presence in the area that they encouraged the arabs living in the area to leave. "For the flight and fall of the other villages, it is our leaders who are responsible, because of the dissemination of rumours exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs ... they instilled fear and terror into the hearts of the Arabs of Palestine until they fled, leaving their homes and property to the enemy." - Jordanian daily al-urdun 09/04/54 "We will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down." - Iraqi prime minister Nuri "We brought destruction upon the refugees, by calling on them to leave their homes." - Khaled al-Azam, Syrian Prime Minister 1949 "Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return." - Haled al Azm, Syrian Prime Minister 1948/49 A leader of the Arab National Committee in Haifa, Hajj Nimer el-Khatib said arab soldieres in Jaffa were mistreating the residents. “They robbed individuals and homes. Life was of little value, and the honor of women was defiled. This state of affairs led many [Arab] residents to leave the city under the protection of British tanks.” -Hajj Nimer el-Khatib So before you go pointing the finger, not only did the arabs starting the war cause any displacement you are referring to but they encouraged it in an attempt to wipe out the jews. And now you expect Israelis to sympathise? They left in hopes that all jews would be killed and they could return to an area -Jew free. You must be nuts. The quotes above are by your own people. What do you say to them? Clifford Pinto:April 30, 2014 at 1:16 pmSacha Baggili said "And the West Bank check points. " You mean the ones that were installed AFTER the Palestinians' blood-thirsty reign of terror, in which they blew up restaurants, school buses, schools, birthday parties, bar mitzvah celebrations etc. etc etc. that resulted in the deaths of scores of Israeli civilians? Well, since you don't like checkpoints, here's a hint: STOP the terrorist activity. If you enjoy killing Israeli women and children, be prepared to live with the consequences. Don't slaughter Israelis, force them to retaliate and then cry victim. Clifford Pinto:April 30, 2014 at 1:21 pmSacha Baggili said: " And so kind of the Isreali government to let a native sell a pomegranate in one of the areas it illegally occupies." Ahron is talking about Israel-proper, that is Israel within the Green Line. What "illegal occupation" is the Israeli government doing inside of Israel-proper? "Please do tell. Were they skipping around with big smiles on their faces. " Inside of Israel-proper, the Arabs ARE skipping around with big smiles on their faces, seeing as how the rest of the Arab world is burning and there's mass-slaughter and mayhem in EVERY Arab country, the Arabs in Israel are overjoyed about living in a stable, western, liberal democracy. "can Arabs count money? thought they only knew about 'rockets' and 'jihad'?" In Israel, thanks to the tremendous educational facilities, job opportunities and the booming economy, most Arabs have more opportunities than Arabs in ANY Arab country on this planet. "And you bought a headscarf... getting down there with the Arab culture, really getting under the skin of the place. You cosmopolitan you." You might want to concede at this point that Israel is probably more cosmopolitan and multicultural than most European and Western nations. Move past the Pallywood propaganda blogs whose words you swallow whole. Open your eyes. Andrew Gilbert:April 30, 2014 at 1:31 pmAhron Eisman: Perhaps it is you who is being disingenuous here. I don't think they are trying to say Palestinians have been banned FROM the West Bank. I think they are trying to say Palestinians have been banned from buses IN the West Bank. Well, I assume that is what they are trying to say seen as the text appears over a bus, and is sitting next to some other text which says "Black banned in the USA until 1960". Blacks were never banned FROM the US, but they were definitely banned from doing things like sitting in buses IN some places in the USA until the 1960s. I also assume that's what they mean because that is what both the sources they supply say. Ahron אהרון Eisman:May 1, 2014 at 2:51 amAndrew Gilbert "Palestinians are banned from west bank today" -Is what it says. Which is false and misleading if they are trying to say "Palestinians are banned from buses in the west bank. Which is false and misleading, especially if they are trying to say "Palestinians are banned from buses in Israel today". Which again is false and misleading if their intention is to spread the truth which is: Palestinians can catch ANY bus they want in Israel. Especially additional lines which have been added to aid Palestinians travelling from Palestinian villages in to Israel for work. Ofcourse only palestinians catch the bus, because its dangerous and often illegal for Israeli's to be in Palestinian Villages.... So why would an Israeli catch the bus either to or from a village that they will likely be killed in? -This is where the idea of Palestinian only buses has come from. Which has evolved in to meaning palestinians are banned from busses -Which is false. Fact is Jews/Israeli's dont travel to and from Palestinian villages, so yes there are buses just for them to aid them working in Israel. "PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY AREA AHEAD NO ENTRY FOR ISRAELIS ENTRY ILLEGAL BY ISRAELI LAW" & "This road leads to area "A" under the Palestinian authority. The entrance for Israeli citizens is Forbidden, Dangerous to your lives and is Against the israeli law." -Why would an Israeli travel to or from these areas? Andrew Gilbert:May 1, 2014 at 4:00 am""Palestinians are banned from west bank today" -Is what it says." But, no, it doesn't actually say that. The graphic is there, we can all see it. You've got your froms mixed up with your ins. It says clearly: "Palestinians are banned in the West Bank today". This stuff is important. Now your latter response actually has substance to it: Here you argue that there is no explicit law stating that Palestinians are banned from certain buses. And if we read the source provided (which I have read btw, have you?) it actually checks out. In that the source never says Palestinians are banned from buses in the west bank, rather it says there are different buses, routed through different areas (some of these areas which either Israelis or Palestinians are excluded from), in an effort to separate Israeli and Palestinian passengers. Is this the same as banning them from a bus? No, as you suggest it is not. So yes, I'd certainly agree that this info-graphic is at best poorly worded, and at worse, highly misleading. If they'd said there was segregation in the US prior to 1960s, and compared it to the segregation exercised on buses in the West Bank now, it would be true. But they haven't done that, so I agree with you that this info-graphic is a misrepresentation. Ahron אהרון Eisman:May 1, 2014 at 4:57 amAndrew Gilbert The point of these infographics is very clear -they are to mislead people in to believing that Israel is committing crimes worthy of international condemnation. The truth is that these crime don't exist. -No Palestinian is Banned from a Bus in Israel. Period. -No Palestinian is Banned from the West Bank. -There is no segregation on Buses between Israeli's and Palestinians (as in neither have to sit at the front or the back of the bus, they are free to sit anywhere they would like) -Extra bus routes were put in place from Palestinian villages to assist them working in Israel and to relieve tensions in the area and as a result there are buses that only Palestinians catch that Israeli's don't. So then i go on to question the motives of the person that created the info graphic. Why mislead people in to believing something that is blatantly untrue? Humans have an innate ability to sympathise when someone is being wronged. Misleading information like this has led the world to believe that Palestinians are being treated far worse than they are. Information like this, dehumanising Israel, is one of the biggest hindrances to the peace process. If the world could acknowledge the actual situation in the middle east then all this effort and arguing could go in to finding a real solution rather than the promoting of fallacies in an attempt to further the extremist agenda. Mara Cohen:May 1, 2014 at 2:35 pmSacha Baggili In memory of my Great Aunt Rachel, who at age 11 was raped by, and saw her pregnant Mother butchered, by the Mufti of Jerusalem's Men, and our ancient home in Hebron despoiled, and then the Brit removal of the survivors, and of course, the final removals of old yishuv Jews from their homes and lands by the Brit sponsored Hashemite Family (who of course, along with all the other "Arabs" were invaders from the Hejaz) one expects such ignorance and malice. You d-mn "Zionism", but Zionism and the State of Israel saved the Indigenous, Native Jewish Brethren from the barbarities of being subject to those who proposed to "rule" them. The Brits are really good at bloody colonizing, and you little colonialist you, do try to deal with your engrained euro prejudices. You are quite obviously an ignoramus, and enjoy being such-do be aware that Jews survived your sort's best efforts at genocide in Europe, and will also survive your support for the same genocidal and ethnic cleansing "stuff" as proposed and implemented in the Fundamentalist Islamic world. We will never pay the Jizya, or e subjected to the abuses of the Fundamentalist Islamic Butchers, or the European anti-semitic slaughters again. What is hilarious about you colonialist euros, is that given your own histories, how easily you are manipulated into supporting what you really want to do yourselves, but pretend you are to "morally righteous" to do anymore, so you support this proxy Arab cause to advance your cultural prejudices and desire to kill Jews. Pretty obvious. Mara Cohen:May 1, 2014 at 3:05 pmhttp://youtu.be/-y5V_T0yaSw Eva Cinquini:May 5, 2014 at 10:17 amSacha Baggili Try watching some tv and see what is happening each day in Syria and Egypt this is the reality of what is happening in the Arab world. Go there and look for yourself. Raj Nandi:May 10, 2014 at 10:41 pmEve Amber Goodmon And What would that show? there is barbarity in the world, and one of them is Israel! Stop conflating different issues, just deal with Israel as ONE argument. But then you will say I am anti-semitic! COP OUT! Eva Cinquini:May 10, 2014 at 11:29 pmSacha Baggili There is scientific research that stipulates; if the insect population of the world was depleted, it would end the world as we know it, and if the human population of the world was to end, the earth would flourish. The same analogy should be used to Israel vs. the Arab countries. Phil Assouline:May 10, 2014 at 11:46 pmAndrew Gilbert all of them are lies. every single assertion above is based on lies or distortions or half truths to exploit people's naiveté and compassion. I'm not going to sit here and do a dissertation just cause you are so impressed by colors. BUT in a nutshell: (1) Palestinians are not indigenous, they are like in every arab country the product of imperialism, and in fact "Palestinian" means "invaders"... in HEBREW. (it means nothing in arabic) (2) there never was a palestinian state or political entity, ever in human history, -- the land was not taken from them at all. it was under turkish and turkic occupation for 900 years before israel took it back and before that it was crusader. if palestinians do not have a state it is because they rejected that chance in 1947, 67, 2000, 2001 and 2008. Get a clue. (3) the palestinians were never ethnically cleansed,that is awful BS -- the arabs attacked with the stated aim of exterminating the jews of israel in 1947 and as part of the war they FLED. Benny Morris the top historian on this in the world makes it abundantly clear. (4) unlike in every muslim and arab country on earth, the one tiny democratic state of Israel has zero segregation in it. It is one of the most diverse and tolerant places on the planet -- it just happens to be the target of a jihad posing as human rights and funded by oil money -- and a lot of people are apparently so impressed with colorful cartoons that they make their opinions based on them. THIS BS about segregation is an insult not only to israelis who are tolerant despite facing horrific hatred, but to all victims of TRUE segregation and racism. Including the black people in all arab countries who are still referred to as "ya abdi" -- "my slave". Israel is the first country in human history to bring in african people en masse to make them free and citizens. (5) discrimination based on race or faith is illegal in israel -- unlike under palestinian gvts. (6) israel is the only country in the middle east where arabs are free and the only one in the world where they can vote freely AND be at home. if you care about arab rights you should be a massive zionist. (7) it is the arabs including palestinians themselves who keep the descendants of those who left after attacking israel in "refugee" camps like animals. Israel integrated its palestinian refugees as well as the 900 000 jews kicked out of arab countries (for no reason except their ethnicity) in 1948 and they now have full democratic rights. in gaza palestinians are treated like animals by their own people. same in ramallah. (8) responses to terrorism directed at toddlers, like a fence or checkpoints that have saved thousands of lives of innocents ,are not human rights abuses, ffs. attacking civilians and then getting punished for it or facing security measures is not victimhood. is a rapist a victim if the woman punched him in the nuts? that is what is up there: palestinians are victims because israel did not stretch out its neck to be killed. Are you stupid enough to buy that? cause of cool design?? (9) you build houses illegally, they get destroyed -- whatever your ethnicity. it's called rules. I as an israeli by choice will not apologize to liars for surviving their hateful madness, for reclaiming part of my ancestral homeland as per international law or for resisting constant murderous attacks. israel stands for hope amd overcoming and the right to be different in the mid east. you stand with these cartoons, you stand against women, atheists, minorities, gays and lesbians, christians and all other minorities who have safety only in israel and nowhere else in the mideast. This slander and manipulation are disgusting. this is jihadi funded fascism posing as unicorns and care bears and americans are too gullible and self absorbed to even realize they are being played via their narcissism. why? cause of the pretty colors. cool graphics don't invert reality or turn the enemies of democracy into noble rights warriors. the fact is and remains that israel is an indigenous democracy created by int'l legal consensus and fighting hate filled fanatics since 1920 who now use the language of progressives to give moral cover to horrific evil and terrorism. anybody fooled by cartoons (like these) has the intellect of a toe nail Hadje C. Sadje:May 15, 2014 at 6:09 amPhilippe Assouline what about the Zionist masquerading as human rights in order to exploit and abuse westerners' natural compassion. Same bs for 30 years. A case built on lies is a worthless one. A cause based on hatred and manipulation is not legit. Not a single one of the images above is honest. But they have nice colors so they fool everyone. Pathetic...Evil...Racist....Liars....ZIONISM IS NOT JUDAISM Phil Assouline:June 2, 2014 at 12:31 amHadje C. Sadje you don't get to tell jews what judaism is in order to fit your jihadi agenda. sorry. anti-Zionism is not Islam. Phil Assouline:June 2, 2014 at 12:32 amRaj Nandi you clearly have very little to offer but frothing madness. Facts can piss off brutes like that. Raj Nandi:June 2, 2014 at 7:12 pmPhilippe Assouline What facts! You only have historical non sequiturs. No facts, anywhere nor at any time, any time! Phil Assouline:June 2, 2014 at 7:15 pmRaj Nandi these facts: (1) Palestinians are not indigenous, they are like in every arab country the product of imperialism, and in fact "Palestinian" means "invaders"... in HEBREW. (it means nothing in arabic) (2) there never was a palestinian state or political entity, ever in human history, -- the land was not taken from them at all. it was under turkish and turkic occupation for 900 years before israel took it back and before that it was crusader. if palestinians do not have a state it is because they rejected that chance in 1947, 67, 2000, 2001 and 2008. Get a clue. (3) the palestinians were never ethnically cleansed,that is awful BS -- the arabs attacked with the stated aim of exterminating the jews of israel in 1947 and as part of the war they FLED. Benny Morris the top historian on this in the world makes it abundantly clear. (4) unlike in every muslim and arab country on earth, the one tiny democratic state of Israel has zero segregation in it. It is one of the most diverse and tolerant places on the planet -- it just happens to be the target of a jihad posing as human rights and funded by oil money -- and a lot of people are apparently so impressed with colorful cartoons that they make their opinions based on them. THIS BS about segregation is an insult not only to israelis who are tolerant despite facing horrific hatred, but to all victims of TRUE segregation and racism. Including the black people in all arab countries who are still referred to as "ya abdi" -- "my slave". Israel is the first country in human history to bring in african people en masse to make them free and citizens. (5) discrimination based on race or faith is illegal in israel -- unlike under palestinian gvts. (6) israel is the only country in the middle east where arabs are free and the only one in the world where they can vote freely AND be at home. if you care about arab rights you should be a massive zionist. (7) it is the arabs including palestinians themselves who keep the descendants of those who left after attacking israel in "refugee" camps like animals. Israel integrated its palestinian refugees as well as the 900 000 jews kicked out of arab countries (for no reason except their ethnicity) in 1948 and they now have full democratic rights. in gaza palestinians are treated like animals by their own people. same in ramallah. (8) responses to terrorism directed at toddlers, like a fence or checkpoints that have saved thousands of lives of innocents ,are not human rights abuses, ffs. attacking civilians and then getting punished for it or facing security measures is not victimhood. is a rapist a victim if the woman punched him in the nuts? that is what is up there: palestinians are victims because israel did not stretch out its neck to be killed. Are you stupid enough to buy that? cause of cool design?? (9) you build houses illegally, they get destroyed -- whatever your ethnicity. it's called rules. I as an israeli by choice will not apologize to liars for surviving their hateful madness, for reclaiming part of my ancestral homeland as per international law or for resisting constant murderous attacks. israel stands for hope amd overcoming and the right to be different in the mid east. you stand with these cartoons, you stand against women, atheists, minorities, gays and lesbians, christians and all other minorities who have safety only in israel and nowhere else in the mideast. Sorry your jihad is hurting. And by sorry I mean go to hell, you unhinged racist.